Question Regarding Copper

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After searching through the forum and other websites, I can't seem to find an answer to my question.

Has anyone setup a reef system AFTER it was once a Quarantine Tank? Which means the tank was once medicated with Copper, etc. The reason I ask is because I'm currently running a Quarantine Tank (40 Breeder) and have future plans to turn it into a frag system. I've heard mixed reviews from local reefers stating once copper is introduced to a tank, you can NEVER have coral, inverts in the system. Is this true? My plan was to bleach, and soak system for a few weeks to try and rid the Copper and then run Carbon through the system before I introduce anything into it.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I wouldn't use it.iv heard that even the silicone on tanks can soak in some copper.im not sure if that's true but iv heard it from many diff people.with the dollar a gal sale at petco and Craigslist around I would just buy a new tank for 40 bucks
 
I wouldn't use it.iv heard that even the silicone on tanks can soak in some copper.im not sure if that's true but iv heard it from many diff people.with the dollar a gal sale at petco and Craigslist around I would just buy a new tank for 40 bucks

Yeah I have heard the same about the copper soaking into the Silicone. If this tank wasn't drilled, Gl*******s overflow, and plumbed into a sump, I'd say screw it and get another system.. but I like this one and it would be perfect for a frag tank! Didnt have anything else at the time to treat my fish...thanks for the tip. I'm just wondering if bleach or acid would "kill" off the copper. If that's possible lol.
 
Oh ok didnt know it was all reef ready already lol I would want to keep it to lol.Im realy not sure if the acid would work interested to see what others have to say
 
my tank had copper safe, copper in it a few times back in the day, when it was fish only. It's been a reef tank now for 15 years, at least. with no problems do to copper.
 
Cleaning the tank real good like you stated should be adequate. Some say the copper gets into the silicone seal. I can't believe that it would be enough to be a difference. If in doubt I'd get a copper test kit. So, IMO, I wouldn't be afraid to use it after a thorough cleaning.
 
I appreciate all the help and advise from everyone. I think it's worth the risk because this is a nice little setup! I'll just scrub the heck out of it!
 
If you're concerned, I'd consider running some GFO to help absorb any copper that is leached back into the tank water.
 
Cleaning the tank won't do you any good. The copper is in the glass, and you can't get it out by just scrubbing it. You would need to run carbon in the tank for a couple of months to leach out the copper from the glass, then your good to go.
 
Seems general concensus from the big boys is that vinegar and a scrub down is sufficient. Via Bertoni, TMZ and HighLandReefer. Whom are held in high reguards. So, vinegar it is then.
Copper Effects on a Tank
 
Seems general concensus from the big boys is that vinegar and a scrub down is sufficient. Via Bertoni, TMZ and HighLandReefer. Whom are held in high reguards. So, vinegar it is then.
Copper Effects on a Tank

Glad to see you changed your mind on this one. I've used 2 tanks that have had copper in them. No problem. Just a good soak for 24 hours and rinse. Copper does NOT get into the glass or even the silicone, they are both inert and will not absorb copper from the water.
 
That's good to know because I clean all used equipment with vinegar - been in the hobby for 23 years. So I accidentally have been doing something right. But, to be thorough a muriatic acid bath less than 2 PH will work the same way.
 
Theres just to much info out there on the subject of glass and copper. I've read many related threads on this, and before it was known that glass has teeny tiny holes that were supposed to hold the copper in them. Evidently people have changed their minds about how it works.
 
macro algaes are extremely effective in filtering out copper.

my .02

Never heard that before. Is there any science to back that up? I'm not saying your wrong, I would just like to be positive about it before I tell anybody else. :wink:
 
Never heard that before. Is there any science to back that up? I'm not saying your wrong, I would just like to be positive about it before I tell anybody else. :wink:

I guess now you have. :xd:

Basically what happens is that as plant life sucks in nutrients it also sucks in just about everything else including copper and other toxins. Which remain in the plant tissue because they are not utilized by the plant.

And of course those toxins are at a low enough level comparied to nitrogens to not kill the plant.

Environmental engineers are very aware of this effect.

Using dead plant tissue the effect is called biosorbtion with live plants it is bioaccumulation. Or terms something like that. (just an engineer not an environmental scientist :ooh:)

For instance toxins at toxic waste sites like dioxin are sucked out of the ground with fast growing popular trees.

Industrial waste water can be cleaned up with dried seaweed.

Of course, environmentally what you do the the contaminated popular and seaweed is another question. With the seaweed I have seen reports things like cadimum can be removed and the seaweed reused.

I asked Dr. Walter Addy if any more quantative analysis had been done and he stated no. But he did at one time propose using macros to clean the copper out of coolant water used at a nuclear power plant. The plant later decided to go with biosorbtion instead of the live macro algaes.

In a somwhat ironic turn of fate one post on the other board was a WHO study of the effects of copper on corals. Which show the usual dasterdly low levels and high effects of copper.

But way down in the report was actually experiement with live macro algaes and the amount of copper bioaccumulated.

In that experiment, some macros were exposed to various levels of copper up to 250ppm for up to two weeks.

The copper levels in the plants were then measured.

It turns out that the bioaccumulation was linear within the test times and levels and linear to both. The levels had also not reached a platue but were also continueing to increase.

One macro algae started at 50ppm copper and after two weeks exposed to 250ppm copper contained 1030ppm copper.

And of course corals are affects at levels like 50 ppb to the 250ppm would not be a good environment.

But 250ppm according to a Dr. randy holmes-farley article is at or below the at tap copper levels in at least 75% of the major cities in the U.S.

Finally, by harvesting the macros regularily you remove copper from the tank.

And by assuring you are not adding copper you keep the copper out. So limiting water changes helps the copper come down.

Of course what every one does is simply use RO/DI water to prevent the copper from entering the system in the first place.

But in the case here with an old copper treated tank (20 ppm or so?), well rinsed out, cleaned up, a few weeks of good macro growth and harvesting should lower copper to levels safe for corals.

I maintain that you can do the same thing and have excellent coral growth with a refugium full of rapidily macros, regularily harvested, and by not doing water changes.

But that's just my .02
 
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