Question?

Adam113 · Apr 9, 2017

Reef Ryder said:
Honestly, I would say yes but do a water change ASAP and if he's alive tomorrow ask your LFS about filter. Don't forget the special blend and nite out II. I honestly cannot stress the water change enough. I would 12 gallons. Nite out II will reduce ammonia and nitrites, special blend is good bacteria that is essential for smaller tanks to help keep water nice and healthy. You have a small hang on back (HOB) filter?

Looks like a Biocube so it'd be all in one. All I use in my 29g is the stock filter media cartridge, the stock sponge, and a bag of carbon in the second bay right before the return pump. This plus weekly 2 gallon water changes should be more than sufficient.

Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

Thanks

Dahni said:
Sorry...hit wrong button....
I always quarantine sick fish and not leave my tank to chance

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Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

Reef Ryder said:
Honestly, I would say yes but do a water change ASAP and if he's alive tomorrow ask your LFS about filter. Don't forget the special blend and nite out II. I honestly cannot stress the water change enough. I would 12 gallons. Nite out II will reduce ammonia and nitrites, special blend is good bacteria that is essential for smaller tanks to help keep water nice and healthy. You have a small hang on back (HOB) filter?

Thanks for the info! I have to wait until tomorrow to get more water, I used all mi e yesterday for a water change

jsker · Apr 9, 2017

To sum it
Tank is 3 months old and is barley out of cycle or still cycling.
Have been running tests?
ammonia
nitrites
nitrates
phosphates
Ca
Mg
alk
PH
That information could answer a lot of questions
The fish is obviously stressed, you could try vitamin c for the stress, feed some baby brine shrimp. If the fish eats, that a good sign. If the fish has labored breathing and is in the same way, it pretty much a goner and get out of the tank.

Reef Ryder · Apr 9, 2017

Adam113 said:
Looks like a Biocube so it'd be all in one. All I use in my 29g is the stock filter media cartridge, the stock sponge, and a bag of carbon in the second bay right before the return pump. This plus weekly 2 gallon water changes should be more than sufficient.

Agreed but I think he has just a simple 'non reef' set up, just a sponge filter or so..

Reef Ryder · Apr 9, 2017

jsker said:
To sum it
Tank is 3 months old and is barley out of cycle or still cycling.
Have been running tests?
ammonia
nitrites
nitrates
phosphates
Ca
Mg
alk
PH
That information could answer a lot of questions
The fish is obviously stressed, you could try vitamin c for the stress, feed some baby brine shrimp. If the fish eats, that a good sign. If the fish has labored breathing and is in the same way, it pretty much a goner and get out of the tank.

Agreed! I missed the 3 months part.

Peter Blue Reef · Apr 9, 2017

Maybe he just hit his head. Seriously. I'd be doing the same thing. Physical damage is the most common thing that people overlook when it comes to illness.

Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

jsker said:
To sum it
Tank is 3 months old and is barley out of cycle or still cycling.
Have been running tests?
ammonia
nitrites
nitrates
phosphates
Ca
Mg
alk
PH
That information could answer a lot of questions
The fish is obviously stressed, you could try vitamin c for the stress, feed some baby brine shrimp. If the fish eats, that a good sign. If the fish has labored breathing and is in the same way, it pretty much a goner and get out of the tank.

Yes I have been running test, the guy at the LFS also gave me the water and live rock from there established tanks, he also tested the water before I put any fish and said the parameters where all ready and capable to handle fish. The other 4 fish have been great for over a month I just added the two clowns one is doing great the other one just seems to be sick or shocked or stressed

Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

Buck Sexton said:
Maybe he just hit his head. Seriously. I'd be doing the same thing. Physical damage is the most common thing that people overlook when it comes to illness.

Hahaha true!

jsker · Apr 9, 2017

Apenagos33 said:
Yes I have been running test, the guy at the LFS also gave me the water and live rock from there established tanks, he also tested the water before I put any fish and said the parameters where all ready and capable to handle fish. The other 4 fish have been great for over a month I just added the two clowns one is doing great the other one just seems to be sick or shocked or stressed

Regardless if the rock and water are from an establish system, you are still going to have a cycle. Then what are your parameters?

Adding that many fish to a new system that quick, dose not let the system adapt the bio load.

Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

jsker said:
Regardless if the rock and water are from an establish system, you are still going to have a cycle. Then what are your parameters?

Adding that many fish to a new system that quick, dose not let the system adapt the bio load.

Ph is 8.1, zero ammonia, zero nitrite, 15 nitrate, 8.2 alkalinity. I'm still new to this and learning and relied on the LFS info and input. I don't plan on adding anymore fish. I guess will see how the clown ends up. Any recommendations for what I should do at this point?

Reef Ryder · Apr 9, 2017

jsker said:
To sum it
Tank is 3 months old and is barley out of cycle or still cycling.
Have been running tests?
ammonia
nitrites
nitrates
phosphates
Ca
Mg
alk
PH
That information could answer a lot of questions
The fish is obviously stressed, you could try vitamin c for the stress, feed some baby brine shrimp. If the fish eats, that a good sign. If the fish has labored breathing and is in the same way, it pretty much a goner and get out of the tank.

Than again it's only 29 gallons, 3 mos should be plenty of time

jsker · Apr 9, 2017

Apenagos33 said:
Ph is 8.1, zero ammonia, zero nitrite, 15 nitrate, 8.2 alkalinity. I'm still new to this and learning and relied on the LFS info and input. I don't plan on adding anymore fish. I guess will see how the clown ends up. Any recommendations for what I should do at this point?

Thank you for the parameters

. Looks like the high nitrates are causing your algae issues. high nutrients (Po4's No3's) tend to case algae. Water changes, running some carbon, and watching how much you are feeding will help a great deal. Lights are another algae grower. Cheap lights or to much white in the spectrum help algae growth.

As far as the clown, if it not laboring with breathing give it a shot. I have had three clowns that have not made it in my 2.2 year old current system. Two passed, and one was kill by my present Maroon. Were these two mated or just two pulled out of a tank? What I am getting are is some clowns that are not mated, just do not make it.

Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

jsker said:
Thank you for the parameters. Looks like the high nitrates are causing your algae issues. high nutrients (Po4's No3's) tend to case algae. Water changes, running some carbon, and watching how much you are feeding will help a great deal. Lights are another algae grower. Cheap lights or to much white in the spectrum help algae growth.

As far as the clown, if it not laboring with breathing give it a shot. I have had three clowns that have not made it in my 2.2 year old current system. Two passed, and one was kill by my present Maroon. Were these two mated or just two pulled out of a tank? What I am getting are is some clowns that are not mated, just do not make it.

I really appreciate the info, the two clowns are very small and where pulled from the same holding tank, I don't believe they where paired as there where 10 others in there. I'm currently using the coralife leds i limited the white light to 6 hours on the timer.

jsker · Apr 9, 2017

Reef Ryder said:
Than again it's only 29 gallons, 3 mos should be plenty of time

Agree, but that is still a lot of fish to add so quickly

. A 29gl system, is less for giving then larger system.

Apenagos33 · Apr 9, 2017

jsker said:
Agree, but that is still a lot of fish to add so quickly. A 29gl system, is less for giving then larger system.

Good to know, I'll make sure to not add fish for awhile and enjoy the tank as is for some time!

jsker · Apr 9, 2017

Apenagos33 said:
I really appreciate the info, the two clowns are very small and where pulled from the same holding tank, I don't believe they where paired as there where 10 others in there. I'm currently using the coralife leds i limited the white light to 6 hours on the timer.

Today I added a new half the size of my present maroon after waiting 8 months. I just checked about an hour ago expecting to find another murder, and the sally lightfoot crab covering up the crime, but instead the clowns paired up and were sleeping in the anemones

You could try a BTA anemone for the clowns, but lets see if this guy makes it first