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Because of the fact that I have a Harlequin Tusk, I am not going to have shrimp or hermit crabs with my cuc. That leaves snails that may or may not get eaten and they don't really touch the sand bed at all. I was researching other options and I came across Brittle, Serpent, and Sand Sifting Starfish. Anyone have any experience with these, (positive or negative) and can give me some kind of idea how many of each I can keep in a Reefer XXL 750?

Any information or advice is much appreciated!
 
I would also keep in mind fish that sift sand, such as gobies and jaw fish. With those, you may want to seed with some copepods before you put them in, but I'd imagine with a tank that size, they could probably keep numbers up on their own without having to seed regularly to keep the fish fed.

With a tank that size, you could probably do an assortment of different sand shifting species. I know urchins can shift sand, but I don't know much about them or what they are compatible with.
 
My diamond goby is the hardest worker in my tank. He works on the sand constantly. But like @Bleigh , said there needs to be pods or an established tank to make sure it is fed. Have you thought about a fighting conch? They really work wonders on a sand bed. I've never had a star, but I do know that you need to make certain he is getting enough food.
 
My diamond goby is the hardest worker in my tank. He works on the sand constantly. But like @Bleigh , said there needs to be pods or an established tank to make sure it is fed. Have you thought about a fighting conch? They really work wonders on a sand bed. I've never had a star, but I do know that you need to make certain he is getting enough food.
I don't think my tank is ready for a Gobby yet and a conch would get eaten pretty quickly. Anything with a shell at the bottom of the tank would be history once the Tusk finds it. I am hoping my snails stay on the glass and the Tusk leaves them alone. but if not I have 5 Tangs to eat all the algae. I just need something to clean the sand bed that doesn't have a shell and that's why I am thinking about Starfish.
 
Most Starfish feed off of the layer microphona on your rocks or in the sand. They will need a very established tank for long term success.

Exceptions woul be your brittle or serpent stars which are more predatory or scavenging.
 
Most Starfish feed off of the layer microphona on your rocks or in the sand. They will need a very established tank for long term success.

Exceptions woul be your brittle or serpent stars which are more predatory or scavenging.
And those, (along with Sand Sifting Stars) are exactly the species I am asking about...
 
A sand sifter needs the same mature sand bed as the gobies. Have you thought about corinth snails to stir your sand?
Never heard of them, but the problem is that my Harlequin Tusk is used to eating clams on the half shell and I assume that anything in a shell at the bottom of the tank will be food for him now. That's the only reason I am looking at other options besides the normal cuc lineup.
 
I don't think my tank is ready for a Gobby yet and a conch would get eaten pretty quickly. Anything with a shell at the bottom of the tank would be history once the Tusk finds it. I am hoping my snails stay on the glass and the Tusk leaves them alone. but if not I have 5 Tangs to eat all the algae. I just need something to clean the sand bed that doesn't have a shell and that's why I am thinking about Starfish.

How old is your tank?
 
How old is your tank?
It's been running for a little over a month. It cycled very quick, (about a week and a half) since I used Fritz TurboStart, so I do have a few fish in it, but it is still really new. My parameters are pretty stable except for PH, but I am planning on running the air hose from my skimmer outside to fix that though. There is algae already and I have a few snails, but the sand bed is probably not ready for a sand sifter just yet. I am just planning for when it is. For now I just vacuum the sand bed when I see any trace of detritus or left over food.
 
I'm in the same boat as you, where I'd like to find alternative CUC that aren't a fish buffet. Having both a tusk and a tobey puffer (who literally tries to eat every snail & hermit crab in the tank), I've conceded to the fact I have replenish my CUC every few weeks. These guys even took out my peppermint shrimp. But as these are my two favorite fish in the tank, I really don't mind (except for the $). And besides the brittle stars, I've heard most starfish aren't exactly reef safe. I do have an arrow crab that does a good job without becoming lunch.
 
It's been running for a little over a month. It cycled very quick, (about a week and a half) since I used Fritz TurboStart, so I do have a few fish in it, but it is still really new. My parameters are pretty stable except for PH, but I am planning on running the air hose from my skimmer outside to fix that though. There is algae already and I have a few snails, but the sand bed is probably not ready for a sand sifter just yet. I am just planning for when it is. For now I just vacuum the sand bed when I see any trace of detritus or left over food.

Some algae is a natural progression. Just like the nitrogen cycle, there's an algae cycle that occurs (normally just after a tank has cycled). Sorry if I'm over-explaining, but here's some info if I'm not: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-supreme-guide-to-setting-up-a-saltwater-reef-aquarium.138750/ Scroll down to Section 5: The cycle. My personal opinion (which I would highly encourage you to research, since I'm new too) is to not react too quickly to the growth. Everything is so new, there's a good chance that it would all even itself out anyways, and if you are helping it too much, it may go too far in the opposite direction. I imagine it being kind of like overcorrecting in a car - people slightly go onto the shoulder and then, panicked, turn their wheel far too much and end up in the next lane of traffic. I'm not saying you don't need a CUC though, that's a proper correction, but too much cleaning by you during the early stages in addition to the CUC may potentially be counter productive.

If you are wanting some sand sifters, you want to make sure there's food down there for them, which means less manual sand cleaning. My tank is about 5 months old and I've never cleaned the sand myself. I got some Corinth snails and they have helped, but the sand doesn't look super pretty- but it's way better than it was. I just put copepods in to start prepping for a goby. Gobies, such as a diamond goby, will keep your sand super white. Even with all the waiting, I know I will need to seed with copepods to make sure he stays well fed once he munches through what has built up over the past 5 months. It's hard to wait, but if you can manage it, it may be worth it.

Most starfish will pray on corals. But certain starfish, like the brittle starfish, will not. However, they're not very pretty. They remind me more of a spiky snake or millipede. They are nocturnal though, so that means you likely won't see them often, so their appearance may not be an issue at all.

I'm in the same boat as you, where I'd like to find alternative CUC that aren't a fish buffet. Having both a tusk and a tobey puffer (who literally tries to eat every snail & hermit crab in the tank), I've conceded to the fact I have replenish my CUC every few weeks. These guys even took out my peppermint shrimp. But as these are my two favorite fish in the tank, I really don't mind (except for the $). And besides the brittle stars, I've heard most starfish aren't exactly reef safe. I do have an arrow crab that does a good job without becoming lunch.

You could try to think of it as a live buffet. :) lol Not sure that helps, but at least the fish probably like the extra stimulation.
 
Because of the fact that I have a Harlequin Tusk, I am not going to have shrimp or hermit crabs with my cuc. That leaves snails that may or may not get eaten and they don't really touch the sand bed at all. I was researching other options and I came across Brittle, Serpent, and Sand Sifting Starfish. Anyone have any experience with these, (positive or negative) and can give me some kind of idea how many of each I can keep in a Reefer XXL 750?

Any information or advice is much appreciated!
BTW, I LOVE harlequin tusks. They are SOOO pretty! I suspect I'm going to end up with two larger tanks - One reef and one FOWLER - so I can keep some fish that aren't reef safe.
 
BTW, I LOVE harlequin tusks. They are SOOO pretty! I suspect I'm going to end up with two larger tanks - One reef and one FOWLER - so I can keep some fish that aren't reef safe.
That is my plan also. Probably in a few years I will get a 300 + FOWLR tank and move over my Blue Hippo and maybe the Achilles and add a Clown Trigger and some Puffer, (probably Porcupine or Dogface...or both) and probably a large Angel and Eel as well. My main reason is that I absolutely love Clown Triggers and need to have one! And it wouldn't hurt to give the Blue Hippo and Achilles a bigger home in a few years as well. :)
 
Some algae is a natural progression. Just like the nitrogen cycle, there's an algae cycle that occurs (normally just after a tank has cycled). Sorry if I'm over-explaining, but here's some info if I'm not: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-supreme-guide-to-setting-up-a-saltwater-reef-aquarium.138750/ Scroll down to Section 5: The cycle. My personal opinion (which I would highly encourage you to research, since I'm new too) is to not react too quickly to the growth. Everything is so new, there's a good chance that it would all even itself out anyways, and if you are helping it too much, it may go too far in the opposite direction. I imagine it being kind of like overcorrecting in a car - people slightly go onto the shoulder and then, panicked, turn their wheel far too much and end up in the next lane of traffic. I'm not saying you don't need a CUC though, that's a proper correction, but too much cleaning by you during the early stages in addition to the CUC may potentially be counter productive.

I have enough rock, Bio-Bricks and Bio-Spheres in the tank to house more than enough good bacteria for the Nitrogen Cycle and I am well aware of the bacteria and algae blooms that happen after the cycle. I have been doing this all my life with freshwater tanks and over the years I switched to using bottled bacteria, tons of rock, bio-media and plants to speed up and assist with the Nitrogen cycle and the faster you go the worse the algae is, (in my experience).

It really isn't algae that I clean up though, it's fish poop and food since I overfeed my fish so I am just trying to catch some of it before it negatively affects my water quality. :) My sand bed is really not for bacteria as much as looks and the ability to house fish and inverts that need a sand bed...

If you are wanting some sand sifters, you want to make sure there's food down there for them, which means less manual sand cleaning. My tank is about 5 months old and I've never cleaned the sand myself. I got some Corinth snails and they have helped, but the sand doesn't look super pretty- but it's way better than it was. I just put copepods in to start prepping for a goby. Gobies, such as a diamond goby, will keep your sand super white. Even with all the waiting, I know I will need to seed with copepods to make sure he stays well fed once he munches through what has built up over the past 5 months. It's hard to wait, but if you can manage it, it may be worth it.

I will need to quarantine the Starfish, (and or Goby) before going into my display so the whole "mature sand bed" and feeding copods gets a bit more difficult since the QT will have just been spun up and no where near mature. With the Starfish or any other invert, I can get very established sand from my LFS since anything in it will die from being fish-less for 76 days and that will be a good start along with feeding pods, but for the Goby I will need to research how to get him through QT since copper will kill pods, (I assume). Either way, by the time they actually get to my DT it will be fully stocked with fish and they should have plenty of food waiting for them. I also plan on keeping a good stock of pods in my refugium for fish as I will be getting a Mandarin in 6 months, (give or take).

Most starfish will pray on corals. But certain starfish, like the brittle starfish, will not. However, they're not very pretty. They remind me more of a spiky snake or millipede. They are nocturnal though, so that means you likely won't see them often, so their appearance may not be an issue at all.
I agree that they are creepy looking and also, they get huge! ;Bookworm

I was leaning more towards the Serpent or Sand Sifting Starfish amd from what I have read, they don't bother coral, but if anyone has experienced different, please let me know.
 
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