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Hi Everyone,

I have decided to set up another nano tank. It will be in my living room this time. I have been given a 30-gallon tank. Was going to do a 10 or 15 gallon but what the heck, might as well use the freebie 30-gallon and go from there. I have questions as I have only been in the saltwater hobby for 4 months. Please answer me and help me as I know all of you have experience, whether it be expertise, a newbie, or somewhere in between. :bigsmile: It is going to be a reef tank only with easy-to-care for corals and no fish.

1) I am thinking about using live sand and dry rock. The reason for this is because with live rock, I am worried about hitchhikers. What do you think? I don't know how to cycle one with dry rock. Please feel free to give me your opinion and advice. Can't I get hitchhikers with the live sand too? Should I use sand that is not live? I know with the live rock and live sand I can get the beneficial bacteria and get the tank cycled quicker. Especially worried about hydroids.

2) Suggestions for fairly easy corals to care for would be great. Zoanthids, duncans, mushrooms, the list can go on. Don't want the harder ones to care for.

3) What kind of dip should I use on the corals before I place them in the tank?

4) I need some ideas on lighting to buy and where to buy it. I don't know how to build one for myself so will need to buy.

5) What kind of circulation and wave pumps should I get and how many?

6) How long do I need to wait before I get an anemone?

That is all I can think of right now. I really appreciate you taking the time to read my post and helping me. Thank you!
 
Hi Everyone,

I have decided to set up another nano tank. It will be in my living room this time. I have been given a 30-gallon tank. Was going to do a 10 or 15 gallon but what the heck, might as well use the freebie 30-gallon and go from there. I have questions as I have only been in the saltwater hobby for 4 months. Please answer me and help me as I know all of you have experience, whether it be expertise, a newbie, or somewhere in between. :bigsmile: It is going to be a reef tank only with easy-to-care for corals and no fish.

1) I am thinking about using live sand and dry rock. The reason for this is because with live rock, I am worried about hitchhikers. What do you think? I don't know how to cycle one with dry rock. Please feel free to give me your opinion and advice. Can't I get hitchhikers with the live sand too? Should I use sand that is not live? I know with the live rock and live sand I can get the beneficial bacteria and get the tank cycled quicker. Especially worried about hydroids.

This is a popular approach, however we stock our snails (shells bring in hitchhiker algae and others) and corals from reefs not so pristine, in time, this approach excludes large hitchhikers like mantis and not anything else. all other invaders can be brought in on any hard surface, including the slime coat of fishes. your best bet is to have a plan for when an invasions starts.


2) Suggestions for fairly easy corals to care for would be great. Zoanthids, duncans, mushrooms, the list can go on. Don't want the harder ones to care for.

All of those are fine, the anemones should be held off on imo, let tank mature

3) What kind of dip should I use on the corals before I place them in the tank?

Opinions range, you have to just pick a mode and try. Ive never dipped a coral in 15 yrs. others dip constantly as a prophylactic.

4) I need some ideas on lighting to buy and where to buy it. I don't know how to build one for myself so will need to buy.

Easy choice here, dont guess about lighting but simply find one you like and can afford. then, use google to find that light actually putting on coral biomass, ran for months, in anyones tank. if you cant locate this proof, you are guessing in the dark about lighting.

5) What kind of circulation and wave pumps should I get and how many?
opinions vary, just google or search here for your size tank and mimic anyones flow rate.
6) How long do I need to wait before I get an anemone?

6 mos is standard opinion

That is all I can think of right now. I really appreciate you taking the time to read my post and helping me. Thank you!

I put some responses above thanks for posting!
 
This is purely my opinion:

I would use all purple costly live rock and and sand be it dry or wet/live

I wouldnt use live sand from another tank, that brings in whole waste. the common bagged wet live sand from caribsea is marked arrive alive w live bacteria, and considering its biologically harder to keep a liquid free of bacteria than it is to sustain some, i believe them.

there is no right way only tons of opinions, good luck sifting through them all lol thats the challenge!

at no time in reefing for 15 yrs has hydroids affected me, not saying its impossible, just saying rare. I like to use all live rock because white rock looks boring and takes years to mature and I dont mind a mantis shrimp lol but the approach to use dry rock is more eco friendly thats for sure and its a valid approach if you want to raise up your own calcification.

when invaders pop up in my tank I just burn them out w peroxide, others use another method. my tank is always invader free because ill burn them if it isn't, and this lasts decade after decade as a viable option.
 
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1)You don't really have to worry about hit hikers from live sand. Most of what is available now is not live sand like you are thinking of, it is biologically active, meaning it has the beneficial bacteria, not other benthic life. The type of live sand with critters is unfortunately very difficult to find. It requires work, space, and energy to maintain, so with these bio-active sands available (and labeled as live sand) it has become more cost effective to carry the bagged stuff instead. I personally would prefer the old school stuff that actually has beneficial organisms to consume ditritus and to keep the sand bed stirred. The companies that do sell as bed organisms charge astronomical prices.I also wouldn't spend my money on the painted purple rock, I'd rather go with aquacultured live rock, but you still do run the risk of unwanted organisms. I had the unfortunate luck to not even get the wanted organisms (pods, worms, etc), but at least I didn't get any pests. It is typically (but not always) cycled in systems that doesn't have other live rock, so it usually won't have life, good or bad, other than the bacteria. The benefit is that it is already cycled, so when used in conjunction with live sand, the tank is pretty much immediately ready to start being stocked. The rock also looks like it is already covered in coralline, which may be reservable to some. I find it looks artificial and isn't really worth the cost, but that is just me. You can always get a single piece of live rock with coralline (assuming you can find a LFS that doesn't carry the purple rock) to scrub over your tank to seed the coralline spores. You will get some coralline with frags as well, although admittedly it does take forever for it to get established this way.You can cycle the rock using pure ammonia to avoid adding things to decay to start the cycle. Look up fishless cycle with ammonia to get better ideas on that. The live sand alone may be sufficient if you go with dry rock and start really slow, but cycling the rock will be better in the long term to start everything off more stable. You will probably want to rinse the dry rock well to get rid of dust and possible decayed organisms. You may want to keep an eye on phosphates as well to verify nothing is leaching from the rock. Another benifit of the ammonia cycling is that it will not add phosphates, not that O really feel that cycling with food would really drive phosphates up that much, but some people are overly cautious about phosphates. Although phosphates can be an issue with SPS dominated tanks.2)Pretty much all of the soft corals or even a few SPS/LPS corals would be fine. The less expensive frags are not overly demanding. It is when the tank gets dominated that it becomes tricky and you need to monitor parameters a lot more closely and consider dosing. With a smaller tank you can manage parameters with frequent larger water changes, but a few frags shouldn't require major changes in your routine.I would definitely avoid things like Xenia and some of the faster growing mushrooms, and the like. They are easy to care for and look amazing, but can easily take over a tank to the point where it becomes too frustrating to manage. The faster growing, more common, mushrooms can usually be managed by keeping them on an isolated rock, but if they detach and move elsewhere, they can become a problem. If a bit of their foot gets left behind, new ones will retrospect. Xenia will over run a small tank. They are quite prolific and will appear all over the place. They have become a nuisance and are over taking reefs in the Carribean where they are an invasive species and have no natural predators or parasites.Zoanthids, pallys, ricordia, duncans, etc are all good choices. You can go with some bigger species than I can with my tank. I am not sure if leathers are a good choice as I am not sure how aggressive they can be. Acans are another fun one. They have some cool colorations and are fun to feed. They will take food directly from a pair of tweezers and close up around it and pull it into their mouths. They reproduce and grow fairly well, but are not overly prolific.I would love to do star polyps, but they are very aggressive and have very long sweeper tenticles. Some people have claimed to do well with them in smaller tanks theorizing that they are less aggressive due to the smaller water volume and how quickly chemical warfare products build up in the water, but I would rather not risk it. They are also fast growers as well and can quickly over run a tank.3)Not really sure on suggestions for dips. I haven't really dipped anything yet and I have been lucky, or so it seems so far. I just dropped $100 (probaly twice what I have spent on everything else combined to this point) on three small frags and even though I inspected them with a 30x magnifying glass, I am a bit nervous about one of them and have had it isolated. I don't have a quarentine and I am working on getting something to treat what I think may be on there, but this method won't treat for everything and it may be a bit risky using it as a dip.Not all dips will work on all pests, so what you want to use really depends on your livestock and what you have for corals. Some people just do a fresh water dip and call it good. It does work on a lot of stuff, but not all corals handle it well. Somebody else may be able to better suggest something else.4)Dimensions on the tank may help get more direction there. Tanks vary so widely now that the old guidelines no longer apply. A 30g cube will require a stronger light than a long shallow 30g tank, and the long shallow tank will require a longer more spread out light than the cube. You said you will be sticking with soft corals, which typically require less light, but do you want to get something that will possibly support hard corals down the road if you end up finding out you like SPS? You also need to figure out if you want to spend a little more upfront for LEDs, which don't require bulb replacement (no bulbs to replace every 6 months to a year) and are usually dimable/adjustable. Depending on your tank dimensions, you may be able to get away with some non-aquarium specific LEDs that will work very well for soft corals for very little money. T5 flourescent bulbs are another option, but are a dying technology. A lot of companies are still supporting them and making fixtures, and will probably support them for a long time, but for how long is a major question, probably not enough of a concern to effect your decision though. Power compacts are pretty much extinct. Metal halides are another option, but consume a lot of energy and put out a lot of heat and are overkill for soft corals especially on a tank your size. There are some other options as well, but LED, T5 (or T5 high output (T5HO)) and metal halide (MH) are the standards right now.Others would be able to help you better with pump and circulation questions, but they will probably want to know if the tank has an overflow, if you have a sump, and if the tank is drilled for returns.I have no experience with anemonies so I can't help you there.
 
Wow! Thank you Skydvr for taking the time to give me this information. :bigsmile:


1)You don't really have to worry about hit hikers from live sand. Most of what is available now is not live sand like you are thinking of, it is biologically active, meaning it has the beneficial bacteria, not other benthic life. The type of live sand with critters is unfortunately very difficult to find. It requires work, space, and energy to maintain, so with these bio-active sands available (and labeled as live sand) it has become more cost effective to carry the bagged stuff instead. I personally would prefer the old school stuff that actually has beneficial organisms to consume ditritus and to keep the sand bed stirred. The companies that do sell as bed organisms charge astronomical prices.I also wouldn't spend my money on the painted purple rock, I'd rather go with aquacultured live rock, but you still do run the risk of unwanted organisms. I had the unfortunate luck to not even get the wanted organisms (pods, worms, etc), but at least I didn't get any pests. It is typically (but not always) cycled in systems that doesn't have other live rock, so it usually won't have life, good or bad, other than the bacteria. The benefit is that it is already cycled, so when used in conjunction with live sand, the tank is pretty much immediately ready to start being stocked. The rock also looks like it is already covered in coralline, which may be reservable to some. I find it looks artificial and isn't really worth the cost, but that is just me. You can always get a single piece of live rock with coralline (assuming you can find a LFS that doesn't carry the purple rock) to scrub over your tank to seed the coralline spores. You will get some coralline with frags as well, although admittedly it does take forever for it to get established this way.You can cycle the rock using pure ammonia to avoid adding things to decay to start the cycle. Look up fishless cycle with ammonia to get better ideas on that. The live sand alone may be sufficient if you go with dry rock and start really slow, but cycling the rock will be better in the long term to start everything off more stable. You will probably want to rinse the dry rock well to get rid of dust and possible decayed organisms. You may want to keep an eye on phosphates as well to verify nothing is leaching from the rock. Another benifit of the ammonia cycling is that it will not add phosphates, not that O really feel that cycling with food would really drive phosphates up that much, but some people are overly cautious about phosphates. Although phosphates can be an issue with SPS dominated tanks.2)Pretty much all of the soft corals or even a few SPS/LPS corals would be fine. The less expensive frags are not overly demanding. It is when the tank gets dominated that it becomes tricky and you need to monitor parameters a lot more closely and consider dosing. With a smaller tank you can manage parameters with frequent larger water changes, but a few frags shouldn't require major changes in your routine.I would definitely avoid things like Xenia and some of the faster growing mushrooms, and the like. They are easy to care for and look amazing, but can easily take over a tank to the point where it becomes too frustrating to manage. The faster growing, more common, mushrooms can usually be managed by keeping them on an isolated rock, but if they detach and move elsewhere, they can become a problem. If a bit of their foot gets left behind, new ones will retrospect. Xenia will over run a small tank. They are quite prolific and will appear all over the place. They have become a nuisance and are over taking reefs in the Carribean where they are an invasive species and have no natural predators or parasites.Zoanthids, pallys, ricordia, duncans, etc are all good choices. You can go with some bigger species than I can with my tank. I am not sure if leathers are a good choice as I am not sure how aggressive they can be. Acans are another fun one. They have some cool colorations and are fun to feed. They will take food directly from a pair of tweezers and close up around it and pull it into their mouths. They reproduce and grow fairly well, but are not overly prolific.I would love to do star polyps, but they are very aggressive and have very long sweeper tenticles. Some people have claimed to do well with them in smaller tanks theorizing that they are less aggressive due to the smaller water volume and how quickly chemical warfare products build up in the water, but I would rather not risk it. They are also fast growers as well and can quickly over run a tank.3)Not really sure on suggestions for dips. I haven't really dipped anything yet and I have been lucky, or so it seems so far. I just dropped $100 (probaly twice what I have spent on everything else combined to this point) on three small frags and even though I inspected them with a 30x magnifying glass, I am a bit nervous about one of them and have had it isolated. I don't have a quarentine and I am working on getting something to treat what I think may be on there, but this method won't treat for everything and it may be a bit risky using it as a dip.Not all dips will work on all pests, so what you want to use really depends on your livestock and what you have for corals. Some people just do a fresh water dip and call it good. It does work on a lot of stuff, but not all corals handle it well. Somebody else may be able to better suggest something else.4)Dimensions on the tank may help get more direction there. Tanks vary so widely now that the old guidelines no longer apply. A 30g cube will require a stronger light than a long shallow 30g tank, and the long shallow tank will require a longer more spread out light than the cube. You said you will be sticking with soft corals, which typically require less light, but do you want to get something that will possibly support hard corals down the road if you end up finding out you like SPS? You also need to figure out if you want to spend a little more upfront for LEDs, which don't require bulb replacement (no bulbs to replace every 6 months to a year) and are usually dimable/adjustable. Depending on your tank dimensions, you may be able to get away with some non-aquarium specific LEDs that will work very well for soft corals for very little money. T5 flourescent bulbs are another option, but are a dying technology. A lot of companies are still supporting them and making fixtures, and will probably support them for a long time, but for how long is a major question, probably not enough of a concern to effect your decision though. Power compacts are pretty much extinct. Metal halides are another option, but consume a lot of energy and put out a lot of heat and are overkill for soft corals especially on a tank your size. There are some other options as well, but LED, T5 (or T5 high output (T5HO)) and metal halide (MH) are the standards right now.Others would be able to help you better with pump and circulation questions, but they will probably want to know if the tank has an overflow, if you have a sump, and if the tank is drilled for returns.I have no experience with anemonies so I can't help you there.
 
Thank you Brandon for taking the time to answer my questions too. I know live rock will cycle it faster; I am just terrified at what it could bring to the tank. Though it is really interesting seeing what "pops" up, isn't it? While cleaning the rock in my small nano, a little bitty shrimp about 1/4" showed up. I put it back in the tank so I hope it grows and shows itself again. Looked like one of those candy-striped shrimp. So, if you get a pest, do you take everything a part in the tank and treat it with peroxide? What is your routine when using the peroxide?

This is purely my opinion:

I would use all purple costly live rock and and sand be it dry or wet/live

I wouldnt use live sand from another tank, that brings in whole waste. the common bagged wet live sand from caribsea is marked arrive alive w live bacteria, and considering its biologically harder to keep a liquid free of bacteria than it is to sustain some, i believe them.

there is no right way only tons of opinions, good luck sifting through them all lol thats the challenge!

at no time in reefing for 15 yrs has hydroids affected me, not saying its impossible, just saying rare. I like to use all live rock because white rock looks boring and takes years to mature and I dont mind a mantis shrimp lol but the approach to use dry rock is more eco friendly thats for sure and its a valid approach if you want to raise up your own calcification.

when invaders pop up in my tank I just burn them out w peroxide, others use another method. my tank is always invader free because ill burn them if it isn't, and this lasts decade after decade as a viable option.
 
Hey don't forget a new tank thread once you get going! Congrats!
 

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