Random thoughts on quarantine

[Brew12]

Things that keep me up at night, unless I fall asleep, in no particular order. Please, do not take the following as statements of fact. These are statements of worry.

Observation is not a valid method of quarantine. How can you tell the difference between a fish in your QT that is ich tolerant (think ich management) and one that is ich free?

TTM is not a valid method of quarantine. There is no reason to think that fish cannot become resistant to velvet just like they do ich. Some strains of velvet may go through their life cycle too quickly for TTM to work. This means you can properly do TTM and still add an infected fish in your DT that shows no symptoms.

It seems like more and more fish suppliers are running low levels of copper in their tanks. Over time, doesn't this almost have to encourage the development of copper resistant strains of ich and velvet? Could we get to the day where treating pro-actively with copper will also not be a valid method of quarantine? :mad:



I figure that if I am going to lose sleep over every little white spec of sand I see stuck to one of my fish I am going to do my best to make sure everyone else shares my panic. Except Paul B, who adds extract of supermodel into his tank to ensure it stays healthy.

 

[cpschult]

First of all ttm is a valid method of controlling ichband only ich.

Velvet is different than ich.

That being said fish have disease, sometimes diet can help mitigate the damage done by diseases.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/video...ine-acclimation-by-austin-lefevre-macna-2016/

 

[Empress]

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/video...ine-acclimation-by-austin-lefevre-macna-2016/

Hi Salty, I watched all 45 minutes of this video and I gotta say it was a real eye opener! I'm glad I watched it and I think everyone on this forum should watch it too. Thanks for sharing. [emoji225]

 

[Humblefish]

TTM is not a valid method of quarantine. There is no reason to think that fish cannot become resistant to velvet just like they do ich. Some strains of velvet may go through their life cycle too quickly for TTM to work. This means you can properly do TTM and still add an infected fish in your DT that shows no symptoms.

While TTM only treats ich, a fish with velvet will either a) Die b) Show symptoms after 30 days in QT. Even if the fish was exposed to subtherapeutic copper before you got it. Keep in mind symptoms may only be behavioral, but if you watch your fish every day you should notice: Reduced appetite, heavy breathing, scratching, flashing, head twitching, erratic swimming behavior, swimming into the flow of a powerhead, reclusive behavior (velvet causes fish to be light sensitive.) You may not know exactly what is wrong with your fish since the above are symptoms of several diseases, but you will know something just ain't right.

While it is true some fish are capable of developing immunity to velvet, that number has been estimated to be 5-10%. For this reason I never QT just one fish by himself. My reasoning is, what are the odds of encountering two fish in QT with velvet resistance? Since even immune specimens still serve as carriers capable of infecting other fish.

It seems like more and more fish suppliers are running low levels of copper in their tanks. Over time, doesn't this almost have to encourage the development of copper resistant strains of ich and velvet? Could we get to the day where treating pro-actively with copper will also not be a valid method of quarantine? :mad:

This is a HUGE CONCERN of mine. Also, more & more suppliers are running CP in their fish system(s). And most of the time they use watered down product which exposes the fish to subtherapeutic CP.

 

[melypr1985]

While TTM only treats ich, a fish with velvet will either a) Die b) Show symptoms after 30 days in QT. Even if the fish was exposed to subtherapeutic copper before you got it. Keep in mind symptoms may only be behavioral, but if you watch your fish every day you should notice: Reduced appetite, heavy breathing, scratching, flashing, head twitching, erratic swimming behavior, swimming into the flow of a powerhead, reclusive behavior (velvet causes fish to be light sensitive.) You may not know exactly what is wrong with your fish since the above are symptoms of several diseases, but you will know something just ain't right.

While it is true some fish are capable of developing immunity to velvet, that number has been estimated to be 5-10%. For this reason I never QT just one fish by himself. My reasoning is, what are the odds of encountering two fish in QT with velvet resistance? Since even immune specimens still serve as carriers capable of infecting other fish.



This is a HUGE CONCERN of mine. Also, more & more suppliers are running CP in their fish system(s). And most of the time they use watered down product which exposes the fish to subtherapeutic CP.

Um... +1 to all that ^^ lol I'm always late to the party on mondays.

 

[Brew12]

Um... +1 to all that ^^ lol I'm always late to the party on mondays.

Maybe late, but always welcome.

And thank you everyone. Wasn't trying to create controversy or advocate for or against any QT practice. Just a little frustrated that my Hippo Tang liked to rub up against rocks. He did it in QT while being treated with copper and Prazi, and he still does it in the DT. When he picks up a grain of sand my mind immediately goes to how hard it will be catch all the fish if it is ich.
Unfortunately, even though I have done my best to QT every fish, I don't have a setup to QT coral. I need to work on that. Just wish I didn't see so many potential problems.

 

[Brew12]

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/video...ine-acclimation-by-austin-lefevre-macna-2016/

Wow Salty, just got a chance to watch the video. Thanks you so much for posting this!

 

[Humblefish]

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

the pe

Wow Salty, just got a chance to watch the video. Thanks you so much for posting this!

Some of the People in the there room have discovered and not yet Described a dozen or so new species of fish. They take them from the sea across the ocean, to national aquariums. Most of the rest of the people in the room work for them or are published scientists or won Aquarist of the year in the last 20 years. And some of them actually wrote the books on reefing and fish.
Not a lot of hobbyists in the room, not too odd really. Who wants to learn about fish from those guys when the raffle is in two hours and your trying to score a deal on that skimmer and apex.

The weird hippie Brad pit lookalike who had been hanging out with them all day was pretty impressed. You could tell because his brains had started to leak out.

Poor Dr Bingman had to sit next to the hippie again.

I apologized later over coffee.