Randy - I'm all confused

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Here's the situation:

My 120 has been up and running since Mid July 2015. Added first fish September/October.

Parameters as of last test were:

pH: 8.28
Alk: 9.5
NO3: 0
PO4: 0
CA and MG off the charts high because nothing is using them up for the most part. I'm sure the Orange Digitata loves that it has the calcium and magnesium at its disposal any time it wants it.

I know the PO4 and NO3 are not 0 because the chaeto in the fuge is growing, and there were some dino's growing in the fuge. Not a big deal, I sucked them out with the last water change. So maybe they aren't 0, but they are well within what we probably want in our systems.

Initially, I was going to convert to a zeovit/ultra low nutrient tank, because my tank is already nutrient low. But the cost right now is prohibiting me from going down that route, not to mention, I really don't know enough about it.

the more I read, the more confused I got, and i get confused rather easily to begin with, so there's that.

Essentially it was: Low nutrients, Low Alk...high(er) nutrients, high(er) alk.

I don't dose anything. I am doing 1 water change per month, maybe every other week. No need for me to change the water. the clowns aren't dirtying it up, the snails and crabs aren't doing much to dirty it up, and if I understand correctly, my pukani rock, since it's so porous may be building up denitrifying bacteria (this I guess happens naturally on its own).

I am using instant ocean reef crystals, mainly because it's cheap, and available locally. I've read that RC isn't a good salt to use in a system like mine because the paramters are on the low end due to the high alk, and it will burn SPS corals. I don't know this to be a fact.

It's been recommended that I move to a lower ALK salt, like HW-Marinemix Reefer, the Blue bucket by Red Sea or the Aquavitro Salinity.

This is where I'm confused. I've seen a million tanks using IORC, who "say" they have "0 PO4, 0NO3", and seem to be doing fine with the higher alkalinity.

At last check, RC mixed up at 12dKh after 8 hours. If I let it mix more, does the alkalinity drop? If my goal is to be at say 8.5dKh, is that possible with RC?

Or am I thinking too much into it because as I add fish, the nutrients are going to go up, and I'll inevitably have 5ppm Nitrates, and the higher alkalinity may or may not matter?

I have a thing of Kalkwasser that I got on black friday sales, figured, I would need it down the line, so I got some. Is switching to regular IO something to consider, but I was under the impression that the regular IO wasn't that far off from the IORC.
 
There's no need to dose anything if alk is OK.

It is certainly true that saying 0 nitrate and phosphate depends entirely on what test is being used.

Very low nutrients (say, less than about 0.01 ppm phosphate or 0.1 ppm nitrate) can be an issue for some SPS if the alkalinity is high, perhaps because the skeleton grows faster than the tissue can grow.

I would not bother switching to a different salt mix, but you can easily lower the alk inthe RC if that concerns you. Muriatic acid is cheap and easy for that purpose, just be very careful with it and do not use it in the display tank.
 
If I mix RC for say 36 hours will the Alk be substantially lower?

I would rather not deal with acid. Tried it on my pukani and didn't go well :)
 
Why not just use plain old Instant Ocean!
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Isn't the Alk of regular IO around 11? I would use it but if I am being told (well reading) that 9.5 is too high for low nutrient system then it doesn't make sense to use 11.

Unless I am wrong on the instant ocean parameters
 
Red Sea regular has low all. I used to use it when I had a ulns. If u can afford it esv can be mixed to what ever numbers u want since it has 4 parts
 
Isn't the Alk of regular IO around 11? I would use it but if I am being told (well reading) that 9.5 is too high for low nutrient system then it doesn't make sense to use 11.

Unless I am wrong on the instant ocean parameters

Yes, you are correct that the published number for IO at 1.026 is 11 dkH for Alkalinity....but it's certainly better than RC! Assuming this is a reef tank, that 11 dkH will be quickly consumed. Here are the published numbers I found for IO versus RC at 1.026 sg.

Salt..................Calcium....Alkalinity......Magnesium
Instant Ocean.....400..............11...................1350
Reef Crystals.......490..............13..................1440
 
It is a reef tank. Eventually an SPS dominant (no acro, for some time).

I read, a lot. And what confused me was that based on my test results, the Alk in the mix I was using was too high for the parameters I had tested.

A bunch of folks I know are all saying the same thing but different.

One says the blue bucket of Red Sea, another says, AV Salinity, another says ESV.

All 3 make triple what I do :)
 
Well here's my story. I was born and bred on RC. What eventually bothered me was the relatively high values swinging my alk and calc every water-change day. So I switched to IO and I believe my tank is happier. By the way I target low Alk (7.5 - 8) and dose two part to keep my tank at these values.
 
I am trying to get to the 8ish range. How do you get the Alk low, if the mix you use is at 11?
 
First off, it's only a 25 gallon water change on an approximate 120 gallons of water every two weeks. The slight increase in Alk from the water change is relatively small and quickly consumed, so the impact is inconsequential.
 
Ok. Red Sea Pro Reef Foundation all test: 8.4-8.6.

Essentially, if I am understanding is...if I use IO, 11alk, 450/1350...

I change 10g-15g weekly, my Alk won't go up much at all (120+40g sump for about 120 total system gallons).

I have a beginner 4 pack of SPS coming. I have a single 1" Orange digitata in there...any chance they will consume the Alk to the point that I can replenish it with bi-weekly (or weekly) changes?

Not any time soon, I would imagine? Right? These are 3/4"-1 1/2" frags coming.
 
That small of a frag no noticeable alk decrease. Now if you have a tank completely covered in coralline you will consume alk.
 
No coralline. Not sure I have anything that has introduced it into the tank
 
The cube has spots of it on the back wall but hasn't made it to the rocks.

When I start seeing it, I will be happy about the parameters.
 
It comes in all colors of the rainbow. Also in my tank the back wall is pretty much purple. My rocks are rainbow with little purple.
 
If I mix RC for say 36 hours will the Alk be substantially lower?

I would rather not deal with acid. Tried it on my pukani and didn't go well :)

Probably not much lower, but maybe a bit. If that is your goal, it is worth a try. The idea is to heat the water, maybe warmer than usual, although that may be costly.
 

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