Red Hadoni deteriorating !?

[Don Capalchey]

Something is still up It seems..

Been slowly ramping lighting up, haddoni Is at around 100par, still working on raising..
But something very concerning began happening at 4:00 today...

The Carpet is sinking into the sand and its mouth Is protruding.

Calcium 480
Nitrate 0ppm
salanity 1.025

Will update If this was just some type of reattachment situation..

Carpets begun doing better with the light increases, until today...
Last night I fed ROE to the carpet & my Dendros..
Dendros are fine from the meal, carpet was great all morning until 4:00.

Will update If I gain any knowledge from this event.

 

[Don Capalchey]

Another update:

Went into Its base, then started coming out.. Not sure what went on, hesitant on lowering light.

His PAR is pretty low 80-100, should be over at least 150.

 

[Don Capalchey]

Lookin better!

Lights where still on max, so started to "recover" whilst the lights still on.

Still open to advanced advise..
But I will post a pic when back to 2ft diameter.

Wish us continued luck, this was our scariest moment yet..

 

[Taylor t]

Please show a picture of your carpet at its BEST LOOK since you had it. Since it was introduced into your system. A picture of it at its 2’ size fully inflated. First week or last week, when it looked it’s BEST to you.

 

[Don Capalchey]

Please show a picture of your carpet at its BEST LOOK since you had it. Since it was introduced into your system. A picture of it at its 2’ size fully inflated. First week or last week, when it looked it’s BEST to you.

Thanks for answers/support guys.

I haven't taken pictures worthy enough to post over how he looked a month ago, its been steady improvement, polyps slowly start darkening, extending..
Still has the pale patchy look. You can scroll back to see how he looked the day I bought him at the LFS If your interested. Aswell with progress up to now.

Today, lights are still on the same schedule, specimen Is still way smaller, maybe like half...Somehow..He shrunk down yesterday within an hour.
I will say, the polyps all are expanded & seem more juicy on the smaller oral-disk.. Than told me his Haddoni was in 50 PAR! Mine Is In 100 for the 4hr peak..
Online I have read all about 300 PAR plus...This specimen Is like a yuma In quite a lot of ways...Cant seem to find a solid care regimen/strict requirements, other then deep sand..

Im holding off on any type of feeding for a week+, not that hes really eaten anything solid anyway. Just Reefroid/Polyopbooster/PlanktonPhyto-red an once ROE..

 

[Taylor t]

I’m sorry. You asked for experience. I have experience with both haddoni and gigantea carpets. Both have different requirements. You asked. I’ll tell you my experience. You have to be willing to hear truth. I stand by my first post. Read it again, but I fear it’s too late by now. Pancake look your carpet displays shows what’s coming. Hard truth. That’s why I asked for the best picture you have of it. I’ve had them hang on for months. Yes, MONTHS, only to slowly decline. Sitting back and hoping for the best like you’ve done is not good. Poor choice. Leads to doom, see first time I responded. I gave “experienced advice” like you asked, this is my experience. Sorry, truth is tough sometimes. No reflection on you as a reefer, just the anemone you got. I have yet to see a picture from you that is encouraging for long term survival. Just my experience, what I’ve seen in your posts. I don’t know it all, yours could be the first to recover looking like that, it would be the first out of dozens I’ve had, and your tank doesn’t look mature enough to do this. Just my opinion, experience.

I have had haddoni hang on for months. It’s more than thinking it’s “ improving in color” or “eating”. This takes months, not weeks. It’s the body language the carpet displays. Your carpet has yet to display any body language that looks encouraging to me.

I’ll say it again, ignore it or heed it,
DONT FEED IT UNTIL ITS ACCLIMATED,
This can take days, weeks, or months. Condition dependent. Every one of them is different. If you’re willing to help it, Let it shrink in size, the goal is full inflation at all times, and this can take work in the part of the reefer. Acclimation is tough sometimes, and work.

I gave you advice based on dozens of haddoni I have had. You asked for experience, this is mine. You chose not to take it. Best of luck to you.

 

[Don Capalchey]

Thanks for responding, not sure stressing him by: defooting/low light/small space/new tank cycle would help him. These creatures crave stability above all else, especially Gigantea, from my research.
Its In a over 6 month reef, active fuge. Interestingly the day previous to the carpet acting weird. I added chemipure blue for the first time (rinsed of In rodi of course) maybe the nutrients got sucked up & shocked him.

any advice helping him along from In the system ? To me hes looking better an better as time passes. I agree will take months. We all know Its not really light, prob..Def not general water qaulity either...What gives ?

 

[Taylor t]

You aren’t hearing what I’m sayimg... ... no offense intended....

You don’t think moving it will help? Wrong. My money is on death if you just sit back and watch it... again, no offense. In Vegas, all my money would be on death. Again, no offense. Unless I see a better picture, that’s what I see.

I don’t know your experience. You could have 50 years experience. No experience with carpets, you could have decades of experience with salt, that won’t help if you don’t know what to look for with warning signs of these creatures. You are correct in acknowledging they need stability. That’s why I explained to do a water purge with it. Make water the same way everyday. 100% change everyday. It’s a LOT OF WORK. Yours doesn’t need meds. It’s a water issue, no offense, but 6 months is still young. Perfect water, no such thing. Coral is one thing, carpet anemone is another.
Many cycles to still go through, some tank cycles still happen a year later, most just don’t realize it. Not all cycles are killers, but with anemone, doesn’t help the cause. Fresh water purge in a dedicated tank. This gives them stability and fresh water. New everyday. Expensive and tiresome, but more so at this stage. You say you don’t think it would help. I disagree, but I think it’s too late at this point. You waited too long to start. Your carpet is showing signs of giving up already, floppy pancake body language says it all. Tentacle extension and color doesn’t matter at this point, body language, or, how it holds its folds, is best tell. Feeding anything when weak makes things worse. If that guy were in my hands, no food for a few months. I’m not trying to be a downer, but the body language of that creature says a lot to me about the condition it’s in. That’s why I asked for the best picture you had of it. I Always take a worst and best picture to compare progress of any new anemone while acclimating.

Sorry to not give happy fluffy advice, but my experience tells me this guy won’t make it long term. I hope I’m wrong, but I’ve gone through a lot of them to know better. Keeping it in that tank and hoping for the best will seal its fate. I hope I’m wrong. I hope you try to save it instead of hoping for the best and just leaving it be.

It may not entirely be your fault. It didn’t look healthy from your first LFS pic. Just what my eyes see. I’m sorry, I hope I’m wrong.

 

[dbraun15]

Has this nem been treated with Cipro? Agree with Taylor T on all accounts...but better to try and treat versus not. Hoping for the best.

 

[AcroNem]

Has this nem been treated with Cipro? Agree with Taylor T on all accounts...but better to try and treat versus not. Hoping for the best.

No it hasn't been, but should have been. I agree with Taylor as well. Basically all of our earlier advice was ignored.

 

[Rispa]

If you change your mind on treatment I'm local, have a tank that could be used for treatment and have cipro on hand as well at metronidazole.

 

[dbraun15]

Did you ever find a solution to this problem?

If you change your mind on treatment I'm local, have a tank that could be used for treatment and have cipro on hand as well at metronidazole.

Please take advantage of the offer from Rispa and start treatment...it can't hurt. IMO, it's going to provide the best chance for survival.

 

[Don Capalchey]

Trust me I am not ignoring..
I have a spare 10G tank. I am all for treatment, will It really require moving him ?

Thanks for offering to help him with the anti-biotics!
At this point do we believe Its an infection ? Moving It to a new tank Is so drastic..
I am assuming would be unwise to treat my entire reef with this stuff though...?

Tough choices to make..

What earlier advise did I ignore? Antibiotics have been mentioned, not prescribed..

Maaan I swear, what If Its just stress induced acclimation..
Right now Its acting like the lights either to bright or to low, curious to see his behavior..
Hes def on the move.. For some reason up on the rocks...I def could see It being sick though..
My other Cnidarians could be a chemical warfare cause ?

His foot is In good shape.

 

[Rispa]

Rocks and sand will absorb antibiotics and make the dose incorrect. That's why you usually don't dose in tank unless you are gut loading and then feeding the medicine. I think the general idea is that even if the primary problem is not bacterial, removing the bacteria gives the anemone a better chance to recover because then it doesn't have to fight off bacteria in addition to trying to recover. Also I could be wrong on this, but I suspect that if it was stress induced by acclamation it would have passed by now.

 

[Taylor t]

To me it looks like that guy is still in declining state. They can hang on a long time only to slowly waste away, when it’s not an infection, and it’s environment issues. My opinion, I’m not sure antibiotics would be beneficial. If you use meds, don’t dose the DT. Use your 10 gallon you have.

Maybe it’s your lights? They do best with a lower K rating color. Your tank looks very blue, not their favorite spectrum, but guys do keep them successfuly with lights like that, yours may not do well with that. I suspect guys that have blue tanks still have some white light in their color. Maybe try a 5k led clamp on flood lamp from the home center? (ROYGBIV, your carpet is the opposite end of the spectrum in the pigment department, maybe food for thought) I’ve never owned a red carpet, I don’t know. For what you spent on that anemone, what’s another $20... might be worth a shot since you don’t want to remove it for care. I use them for my gigs, they absolutely love them. I think this might be worth a try.

 

[Don Capalchey]

To me it looks like that guy is still in declining state. They can hang on a long time only to slowly waste away, when it’s not an infection, and it’s environment issues. My opinion, I’m not sure antibiotics would be beneficial. If you use meds, don’t dose the DT. Use your 10 gallon you have.

Maybe it’s your lights? They do best with a lower K rating color. Your tank looks very blue, not their favorite spectrum, but guys do keep them successfuly with lights like that, yours may not do well with that. I suspect guys that have blue tanks still have some white light in their color. Maybe try a 5k led clamp on flood lamp from the home center? (ROYGBIV, your carpet is the opposite end of the spectrum in the pigment department, maybe food for thought) I’ve never owned a red carpet, I don’t know. For what you spent on that anemone, what’s another $20... might be worth a shot since you don’t want to remove it for care. I use them for my gigs, they absolutely love them. I think this might be worth a try.

Why use a flood lamp ? The hydra 52s are full spectrum they could be any spectrum, If needed..
I had them with about 20% white with less blue & more green & red upon introduction.
I changed It to best emulate how he was kept at the LFS. As they recommended.

I've read somewhere corals/anemones fluoresce the color that they dont absorb.
So a red carpet would be absorbing all K values, but red. Therefore reflecting red back, whilst absorbing the other spectrum(s)..
White light has lots of red In It...I was afraid this was what coulda shocked him..

This Is him before work, tentacles still sticky.
He was In a shady spot (under glass divider)
hoping hes moving to the right, which would be directly under one of the Hydras.

PS. The small piece of Ulva was very hard to pull off his base, coulda ripped his skin. Luckily did not!

 

[Willy315]

Just for a reference of lighting. These are my 2 Haddoni's in a 40 breeder. It has a Hydra26HD centered over the tank. Both anemones are in the left rear of the tank.

 

[Rispa]

Just for a reference of lighting. These are my 2 Haddoni's in a 40 breeder. It has a Hydra26HD centered over the tank. Both anemones are in the left rear of the tank.

Wow! They're gorgeous!

 

[Don Capalchey]

Thanks so much for that info, man your red Haddoni is amazing looks like the rainbow haddoni I linked previously.. Do you happen to have a seneye to test PAR ?

From what it seems they are in low par...

Just for a reference of lighting. These are my 2 Haddoni's in a 40 breeder. It has a Hydra26HD centered over the tank. Both anemones are in the left rear of the tank.

 

[Willy315]

Thanks so much for that info, man your red Haddoni is amazing looks like the rainbow haddoni I linked previously.. Do you happen to have a seneye to test PAR ?

From what it seems they are in low par...

Sorry, I have no way to test PAR