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Can anyone help identify these big red spots on my wrasse? I can't find anything online. He's still eating but hiding alot although I know wrasse tend to hide right? I got him about 2 weeks ago and he was perfectly fine but sometimes he was scraping against the glass and rocks, maybe he has just injured himself by scraping too much? I've heard wrasse do this but I'm not sure how true it is.

I have more fish coming in a couple of hours and I don't want my tank to crash

Best pictures I could get as he moves way to fast.

All perameters are spot on

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Can anyone help identify these big red spots on my wrasse? I can't find anything online. He's still eating but hiding alot although I know wrasse tend to hide right? I got him about 2 weeks ago and he was perfectly fine but sometimes he was scraping against the glass and rocks, maybe he has just injured himself by scraping too much? I've heard wrasse do this but I'm not sure how true it is.

I have more fish coming in a couple of hours and I don't want my tank to crash

Best pictures I could get as he moves way to fast.

All perameters are spot on

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I must add, its on both of his sides too
 
hi, any chance you have an eel in tank?
 
hi, any chance you have an eel in tank?
Nope, just two clowns and a cleaner shrimp and other cuc, I only noticed it yesterday I was just thinking if they change colours when they get older? Maybe he's changing his colourration to a pinkish? Idk it's baffled me, he usually swims with the clowns
 
no,they do not change colors w age,maybe a little fading after 5+years.any other signs ,cloudy eyes ,spots on fins?poss scrapes from wedging in rock when sleeping?
 
no,they do not change colors w age,maybe a little fading after 5+years.any other signs ,cloudy eyes ,spots on fins?poss scrapes from wedging in rock when sleeping?
Nope he looks pretty healthy, I had to feed to get the pictures, was feeding time anyway, but he came out and ate and then went back into his cave where he's been spending basically all his time but occasionally comes out to pick on the rocks and have a swim. As I said I could not find anything online about the same problem.
 
i really don't think so,but may wan't to wait for experts thoughts
 
My worry is that it could be Uronema (difficult to see in the blue light though). Here is an excerpt from my upcoming disease book about it:

Uronema marinum (Red band disease)

Cause


Uronema is an elongate, oval, ciliated, motile protozoan, up to 40 um in length, that can become an opportunistic pathogen in marine aquariums. Because it is so generic-looking, identification in the field is always provisional. Most professional aquarists actually mean “Uronema-like” when they say “Uronema.”

Uronema infections have been seen in six families of fishes (in roughly descending order of frequency): Pomacentridae (damselfishes, specifically of the genus Chromis); Serranidae (subfamily Anthiinae the Anthias); Syngnathidae (seahorses and seadragons); Labridae (the wrasses); Chaetodontidae (the butterflyfishes); and, occasionally, Pomacanthidae (the angelfishes). There are, no doubt, other species of fish that can be infected.

Symptoms

This moderately common protozoan disease has symptoms that include the rapid development of a red mark in the hypodermis (fat and muscle) region of the fish, often following rows of scales so that the lesion is typically elongate and angled downward as it progresses front to back along the flank of the fish. Within a day or two of the development of the primary lesion, the fish will become lethargic and stop feeding and its respiration rate will increase. Scales above the lesion can be dislodged easily due to the massive trauma to the underlying tissue. Death follows rapidly, with few fish surviving beyond three days after the primary lesion develops.

Almost universally, aquarists who do not have access to a microscope will identify this disease as a “secondary bacterial infection resulting from some injury.” In fact, “capture damage” is often cited as the original cause due to the often-linear nature of the lesion, which looks much like a bruise from being hit with a net frame, for example. The rapid onset of the lesion (often many days after capture) and the fact that it develops internally and then erupts externally both point to another cause.


Treatment

A variety of treatments have been suggested for Uronema infections, but full control is rarely seen following most of these treatments. Part of the issue seems to be that Uronema is ubiquitous (naturally occurring in marine aquariums) and re-infection is commonplace.


Bath treatments may fail because the medication used does not target the intercellular protozoans, only those living externally on the skin of the fish. Copper treatments may reduce the numbers of these ciliates, but good control is not seen until ionic copper levels reach 0.23 ppm, and this is too close to the lethal limit for many species of fish. Formalin baths of various concentrations and durations have been proposed, but this treatment is also mostly effective against external protozoans.


The most commonly used treatment is chloroquine at 15 ppm for 30 days.


Hyposalinity and Uronema

A suspiciously high occurrence of Uronema outbreaks is seen in marine fish being kept under hyposalinity (low salinity) to control another protozoan parasite, Cryptocaryon irritans (saltwater ich). It seems that either Uronema prefers low-salinity water or such treatments lower the fish’s resistance to the protozoan.
 
My worry is that it could be Uronema (difficult to see in the blue light though). Here is an excerpt from my upcoming disease book about it:

Uronema marinum (Red band disease)

Cause


Uronema is an elongate, oval, ciliated, motile protozoan, up to 40 um in length, that can become an opportunistic pathogen in marine aquariums. Because it is so generic-looking, identification in the field is always provisional. Most professional aquarists actually mean “Uronema-like” when they say “Uronema.”

Uronema infections have been seen in six families of fishes (in roughly descending order of frequency): Pomacentridae (damselfishes, specifically of the genus Chromis); Serranidae (subfamily Anthiinae the Anthias); Syngnathidae (seahorses and seadragons); Labridae (the wrasses); Chaetodontidae (the butterflyfishes); and, occasionally, Pomacanthidae (the angelfishes). There are, no doubt, other species of fish that can be infected.

Symptoms

This moderately common protozoan disease has symptoms that include the rapid development of a red mark in the hypodermis (fat and muscle) region of the fish, often following rows of scales so that the lesion is typically elongate and angled downward as it progresses front to back along the flank of the fish. Within a day or two of the development of the primary lesion, the fish will become lethargic and stop feeding and its respiration rate will increase. Scales above the lesion can be dislodged easily due to the massive trauma to the underlying tissue. Death follows rapidly, with few fish surviving beyond three days after the primary lesion develops.

Almost universally, aquarists who do not have access to a microscope will identify this disease as a “secondary bacterial infection resulting from some injury.” In fact, “capture damage” is often cited as the original cause due to the often-linear nature of the lesion, which looks much like a bruise from being hit with a net frame, for example. The rapid onset of the lesion (often many days after capture) and the fact that it develops internally and then erupts externally both point to another cause.


Treatment

A variety of treatments have been suggested for Uronema infections, but full control is rarely seen following most of these treatments. Part of the issue seems to be that Uronema is ubiquitous (naturally occurring in marine aquariums) and re-infection is commonplace.


Bath treatments may fail because the medication used does not target the intercellular protozoans, only those living externally on the skin of the fish. Copper treatments may reduce the numbers of these ciliates, but good control is not seen until ionic copper levels reach 0.23 ppm, and this is too close to the lethal limit for many species of fish. Formalin baths of various concentrations and durations have been proposed, but this treatment is also mostly effective against external protozoans.


The most commonly used treatment is chloroquine at 15 ppm for 30 days.


Hyposalinity and Uronema

A suspiciously high occurrence of Uronema outbreaks is seen in marine fish being kept under hyposalinity (low salinity) to control another protozoan parasite, Cryptocaryon irritans (saltwater ich). It seems that either Uronema prefers low-salinity water or such treatments lower the fish’s resistance to the protozoan.
Thanks buddy, he does look really healthy to be honest and as I said I noticed it yesterday. He's still eating like a pig, so I assume if he's still OK in the next few days then it's not the deseise? And just scraping from rocks?

My biggest concern is can it spread to other fish?

I've just added new corals and he's out checking on them cause there on his cave lol.

Hopefully he pulls through and thanks for your advice
 
Good deal, if it were Uronema, it probably wouldn’t still be feeding well...
Jay
Yeah thanks man. He's been out all day not hiding, nice and active the more I look the more it looks like he's scraped his sides on a rock maybe a spot to tight
 

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