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Anyone mix this in liquid form first to be able to dose automatically? I cannot find anything on it. Maybe even really diluted?
 
Yes! Am new to dosing so figured I would start with an all in one.


I would love to auto dose with that. I wonder if randy is referring to the separate components which is why I asked.
 
Same! I assume it’s possible, just don’t see any posts about it. There has to be a way to dilute it so it dissolves .
 
Same! I assume it’s possible, just don’t see any posts about it. There has to be a way to dilute it so it dissolves .

lol

It just seems that way, huh?

There is no useful way one can combine solutions of the Red Sea ABC+ skeletal elements additives before adding them to the aquarium. Calcium carbonate is very insoluble. You would need to dissolve them in a far larger volume than the aquarium volume itself to get them to co-exist in a fresh water solution.
 
I would love to auto dose with that. I wonder if randy is referring to the separate components which is why I asked.

Yes, I thought he meant separate solutions.

No, this product cannot be mixed into any volume of water before dosing.
 
I discuss this type of product (and others) here:

The Many Methods for Supplementing Calcium and Alkalinity - REEFEDITION

from it:

One-part balanced additive systems: Salt Mixtures

Another type of balanced one part additive is comprised of a simple dry mixture of sodium bicarbonate (or carbonate) and calcium chloride. Just as with the two-part additives described below, this type of system can be further formulated to have a natural seawater residue after removal of calcium carbonate. Tropic Marin’s Biocalcium seems to fall into this category, though its written descriptions are notoriously difficult to interpret. It costs about $18 for 510 grams (estimated to contain about 1800 meq of alkalinity), so that puts the cost at about $9.70 per thousand meq of alkalinity. It claims to add 70 trace elements to the tank, along with the calcium and alkalinity, but doesn’t specify amounts for any of them.

You cannot mix this type of additive in water prior to adding it to a tank. If you do, the calcium will react with the carbonate present to form insoluble calcium carbonate. Consequently, the directions advise adding it directly to the tank. If you do, be sure to add it in a high flow area away from corals (like a sump), as the solids are reported to irritate corals if they land on them.

If you use a product like this, be sure to keep it as dry as possible, even to the extent of keeping it in a sealed container to keep out atmospheric moisture. If moisture enters the mixture, it may allow the formation of undesirable calcium carbonate.

Continual use of products like this will increase the salinity in the tank. The rise in salinity over time can be roughly calculated, though not knowing exactly what is in it makes the calculation only a ballpark figure. For every 1000 meq of alkalinity added in this fashion these products will deliver on the order of 60 grams of other ions to the tank. In a tank with a low calcification demand (defined below to be 18.3 thousand meq of alkalinity per year in a 100-gallon tank (0.4 dKH/day)) this effect will raise the salinity by 3 ppt per year (compared to a normal salinity of S =35). In a high demand tank (defined below to be 219 thousand meq of alkalinity per year in a 100-gallon tank (4.4 dKH/day), the salinity will rise by 35 ppt in a year, or approximately doubling the salinity. Consequently, the salinity should be monitored closely in using this type of additive, especially in a tank with high calcification rates.
 
I discuss this type of product (and others) here:

The Many Methods for Supplementing Calcium and Alkalinity - REEFEDITION

from it:

One-part balanced additive systems: Salt Mixtures

Another type of balanced one part additive is comprised of a simple dry mixture of sodium bicarbonate (or carbonate) and calcium chloride. Just as with the two-part additives described below, this type of system can be further formulated to have a natural seawater residue after removal of calcium carbonate. Tropic Marin’s Biocalcium seems to fall into this category, though its written descriptions are notoriously difficult to interpret. It costs about $18 for 510 grams (estimated to contain about 1800 meq of alkalinity), so that puts the cost at about $9.70 per thousand meq of alkalinity. It claims to add 70 trace elements to the tank, along with the calcium and alkalinity, but doesn’t specify amounts for any of them.

You cannot mix this type of additive in water prior to adding it to a tank. If you do, the calcium will react with the carbonate present to form insoluble calcium carbonate. Consequently, the directions advise adding it directly to the tank. If you do, be sure to add it in a high flow area away from corals (like a sump), as the solids are reported to irritate corals if they land on them.

If you use a product like this, be sure to keep it as dry as possible, even to the extent of keeping it in a sealed container to keep out atmospheric moisture. If moisture enters the mixture, it may allow the formation of undesirable calcium carbonate.

Continual use of products like this will increase the salinity in the tank. The rise in salinity over time can be roughly calculated, though not knowing exactly what is in it makes the calculation only a ballpark figure. For every 1000 meq of alkalinity added in this fashion these products will deliver on the order of 60 grams of other ions to the tank. In a tank with a low calcification demand (defined below to be 18.3 thousand meq of alkalinity per year in a 100-gallon tank (0.4 dKH/day)) this effect will raise the salinity by 3 ppt per year (compared to a normal salinity of S =35). In a high demand tank (defined below to be 219 thousand meq of alkalinity per year in a 100-gallon tank (4.4 dKH/day), the salinity will rise by 35 ppt in a year, or approximately doubling the salinity. Consequently, the salinity should be monitored closely in using this type of additive, especially in a tank with high calcification rates.
Thank you! I will have to be less lazy and start dosing liquid cal and alk
 
Anyone mix this in liquid form first to be able to dose automatically? I cannot find anything on it. Maybe even really diluted?

I used the ABC + powder with Red Sea colors C and D for one year. The ABC+ already has the A and B colors in that product.

You can not liquify it to dose it and Red Sea could not come up with a safe way to automate the powder in their labs. It's a great product, but you do need to dose it by hand.
 
about to try out this product again. when i used it before it was a really simple way to dose my nano tank. i'm just wondering if anyone else is still using it these days.
 
about to try out this product again. when i used it before it was a really simple way to dose my nano tank. i'm just wondering if anyone else is still using it these days.

Lol
I just fired up a nano, this looks like the direction that I'll use again.
 

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