Red Sea xl300 silicone bubbles

[fuxs]

I have the same tank bought second hand. Same bubbles you have. I added this piece of 1 inch plywood as support. A week in with tank full so far. I believe the stand is what causes Seams to fail.

Smart idea! Thanks

 

[Aquavaj]

Looks like the silicone is giving away, not where it holds the glass panels together but the silicone that is spread at the seams for protection. Hard to say if it'll spread to the silicone holding the panels but that's not a good sign.
What you can expect from RS is they'll replace the tank if it's still under warranty or may give you a discount for a new tank if out of warranty.

 

[Lavey29]

If you look at my seams they have the same cloudy haze. Been like that 3.5 years now since the tank was filled. I contacted RS when I first got the tank filled and was advised that it had nothing to do with the seams but more of the silicone curing in the salt environment.

 

[WalkerLovesTheOcean]

If you look at my seams they have the same cloudy haze. Been like that 3.5 years now since the tank was filled. I contacted RS when I first got the tank filled and was advised that it had nothing to do with the seams but more of the silicone curing in the salt environment.

Nice tank. But, OP is concerned about BUBBLES in their tanks seams, not haze.

 

[Lavey29]

Nice tank. But, OP is concerned about BUBBLES in their tanks seams, not haze.

There were no visible bubbles in his pictures just haze from the silicone. Seam failures are much more defined with clear water bubbles entering the seam.

 

[WalkerLovesTheOcean]

There were no visible bubbles in his pictures just haze from the silicone. Seam failures are much more defined with clear water bubbles entering the seam.

This is 100% a bubble. I can see how the others may be that "haze" you're talking about.

 

[Netfish and Chill]

My G1 300XL had these same seam bubbles. It lasted 2 years after i noticed them, but it still did end up splitting. I would say to go with a new tank.

I'm not an expert on red sea tanks, but I've had 1 and it did split. It was filled with LPS and softies, without heavy flow. I wont go with them again.

 

[Lavey29]

This is 100% a bubble. I can see how the others may be that "haze" you're talking about.

Looks more like silicone not at the seams as the poster above stated. I guess I have the same bubble in my bottom panel to but it's only been like that over 3 years but I better put my beer down and do something quick.

OP, I wish you best of luck with your tank or a new one. Perhaps email RS for their opinion too.

 

[Northern Flicker]

You have no statistical information at all to support your opinion and I highly doubt you have a PHD in physics which means your have no expertise but yet you offer structural design critique and bash the company...LOL

Of course we don't have statistics. RS would never allow those to be released; they would have a class action lawsuit and recall on their hands.

What we do have are 100s of pages of threads full of people who have life changing house repair bills because RS poorly engineered the seams.

What we also have are RS owners who will vehemently deny an obvious issue because they overspent on a poor quality luxury brand tank "ecosystem" which does not out perform systems 1/5th in price.

 

[Lavey29]

Of course we don't have statistics. RS would never allow those to be released; they would have a class action lawsuit and recall on their hands.

What we do have are 100s of pages of threads full of people who have life changing house repair bills because RS poorly engineered the seams.

What we also have are RS owners who will vehemently deny an obvious issue because they overspent on a poor quality luxury brand tank "ecosystem" which does not out perform systems 1/5th in price.

I agree with your point of statistics. It would be fabulous to know of the 100s of thousands of RS tanks sold worldwide what percentage have failed. It was be easy for RS to post this percentage which is probably close to .01 % based on customer service calls that show seam failures. I don't know how we factor in owner neglect and careless tank setup/upkeep though which contributes to tank failures? I would also like to see failure ratios for all the other well known manufacturers. Great idea, you should contact RS. We deserve to know the truth huh?

 

[Jimbo327]

I would not run a tank with seams like that. Not worth the risk of tons of water destroying your home.

 

[2Plus2]

I have a red sea, but I wouldn't fill your tank with those seams.

Get it replaced by redsea with the updated G2, or go a different route.

DONT FILL IT, PEACE OF MIND IS WORTH MORE THAN ANYTHING.

 

[fuxs]

I have a red sea, but I wouldn't fill your tank with those seams.

Get it replaced by redsea with the updated G2, or go a different route.

DONT FILL IT, PEACE OF MIND IS WORTH MORE THAN ANYTHING.

Still waiting for an answer from Red Sea, I don't think they will replace my tank for free but maybe a discount..

 

[Cool tangs]

Well you don't have to chuck the tank out completely!

Personally I'd look at pulling it apart and putting it back together with fresh high quality silicone. Do a thicker layer of silicone around the corners and even bracing it with metal tabs around the corners. You could even look at a nice thick flat piece of MDF and some styrofoam board to put underneath for extra support. Just make sure the tank is also level.

It might work out cheap enough to hire a pro to reseal it for you.

The biggest things I hear, that hurts rimless tanks is the stand not being level. That's advise given to me from a professional builder. I personally would not touch a redsea tank with a ten foot pole given the track record. Not to nock on all the other products as they make awesome filter rollers!

But at least it's something to think about/look into

Happy reefing

 

[B&CinB.C.]

My IM tank came with a rubber mat attached to the bottom of the tank.

 

[Bruttall]

Please tell me the percentage of failures in their world wide distribution?

I'll answer for you. You have no clue because as I mentioned in my previous post you are clueless.

You asking for the % of RS tanks that failed is splitting hairs and you trying to belittle someone dared to disagree with you. Red Sea have seam issues, have had them long enough they revised and re-issued a Tank (GEN 2) and then made changes again to that design. All the while they kept telling customers nothing was wrong. There are horror stories all over these and other forums about RS Seams failing, enough EMPIRICAL Evidence from people who owned Red Sea Tanks that joking about RS Seams is commonplace.

You would not buy a Car with that kind of history, so why defend Red Sea? Do they sponsor you? They do anything to directly benefit you? Or did you buy a RS without researching and now your just hoping it doesn't fail and make you look really bad after you defended them so hard?

Here is a thread I Started a while back. Just the truth is all@!@!

Red Sea Fail, very harsh!! But truthful IMO.

So I clicked the little Magnifying glass top right of page and input 3 words, Red Sea Fail. This is the results just from these forums. Over 20 pages of threads. Given we have this preponderance of evidence that Red Sea tanks are BAD, why do people keep buying them, and worse replacing one with...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[fuxs]

Well you don't have to chuck the tank out completely!

Personally I'd look at pulling it apart and putting it back together with fresh high quality silicone. Do a thicker layer of silicone around the corners and even bracing it with metal tabs around the corners. You could even look at a nice thick flat piece of MDF and some styrofoam board to put underneath for extra support. Just make sure the tank is also level.

It might work out cheap enough to hire a pro to reseal it for you.

The biggest things I hear, that hurts rimless tanks is the stand not being level. That's advise given to me from a professional builder. I personally would not touch a redsea tank with a ten foot pole given the track record. Not to nock on all the other products as they make awesome filter rollers!

But at least it's something to think about/look into

Happy reefing

I was thinking to reseal the whole tank with M3 5200 marine, i hope it will work

 

[Lavey29]

I was thinking to reseal the whole tank with M3 5200 marine, i hope it will work

Ask RS customer service about that

 

[Lavey29]

You asking for the % of RS tanks that failed is splitting hairs and you trying to belittle someone dared to disagree with you. Red Sea have seam issues, have had them long enough they revised and re-issued a Tank (GEN 2) and then made changes again to that design. All the while they kept telling customers nothing was wrong. There are horror stories all over these and other forums about RS Seams failing, enough EMPIRICAL Evidence from people who owned Red Sea Tanks that joking about RS Seams is commonplace.

You would not buy a Car with that kind of history, so why defend Red Sea? Do they sponsor you? They do anything to directly benefit you? Or did you buy a RS without researching and now your just hoping it doesn't fail and make you look really bad after you defended them so hard?

Here is a thread I Started a while back. Just the truth is all@!@!

Red Sea Fail, very harsh!! But truthful IMO.

So I clicked the little Magnifying glass top right of page and input 3 words, Red Sea Fail. This is the results just from these forums. Over 20 pages of threads. Given we have this preponderance of evidence that Red Sea tanks are BAD, why do people keep buying them, and worse replacing one with...

www.reef2reef.com

Why would it not be beneficial for RS to post the percentage of tank seam failures based on tank size to? This would help people make an informed decision about purchasing one. I am really curious myself how many of the 100s of thousands sold worldwide over the years have failed. I would also like to know the age average for tank failure such as 2 years. 3 years, etc...I actually think every manufacturer should share their failure rate such as waterbox, glass cages, aqueon, planet aquarium, etc...

And I guess my most curious question is with all the failures why does RS continue to dominate the market? Things that make you go hmmmm?

 

[Northern Flicker]

Why would it not be beneficial for RS to post the percentage of tank seam failures based on tank size to? This would help people make an informed decision about purchasing one. I am really curious myself how many of the 100s of thousands sold worldwide over the years have failed. I would also like to know the age average for tank failure such as 2 years. 3 years, etc...I actually think every manufacturer should share their failure rate such as waterbox, glass cages, aqueon, planet aquarium, etc...

And I guess my most curious question is with all the failures why does RS continue to dominate the market? Things that make you go hmmmm?

They dominate because they are pretty, simplistic, and because most new hobbyists don't trawl the forums for this kind of information. They are much more likely to see the influencer who has been given a $4k RS system for free to market the product.

I don't know many old reefers who are standing in line to overspend on these tanks. It's mainly new hobbyists. I will even admit they look nice, but they are the Apple of the hobby - ridiculous prices for mediocre equipment, and that's before you take into account the seam failures. People pay a lot for a sleek look and a beginner friendly "ecosystem".

I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but sales ≠ quality.