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So I think my inhabitants are suffering from high stress levels. Water quality is good and everything is good. I was wondering is there anything I can put into my water that is reef safe to reduce stress for my inhabitants. I have 5 hermits and 2 clowns. Hermits are fine I think the clowns are very stressed.

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You could add more live rock for them to hide in. What makes you think they are stressed exactly?
 
They aren't hosting together they are staying separated and I think fin rot is kicking in I have another post about that. Anyways they are separated and the smaller one hide in the corner all day. The larger one is eating well but the smaller one I have noticed has been declining in eating habits. My larger clown is kicking up sand which is a good thing, he's making the home how he likes it. The two clowns do host together when it's night time. Also my larger ones eating habits have increased.
 
im absolutely not being rude just responding to posted details about your tank. I realize you claim the cycle was completed, but many doubt that as well based on details of the original thread and there was no digestion test to show the ability to handle the bioloading from the fish. few would deny that adding fish to barren base rock that wasn't pre cycled isn't stressful. your tank may indeed be fully cycled and this wouldn't apply, but, from the details posted it cannot be left out. incomplete filtration base can def cause stress, and register as shrimp deaths etc just a point to consider.

There is no additive for what you are seeking. Currently we are unable to rule out that your bioload was introduced too soon, standard new tank shock. this is mentioned for no other reason other than cycling science details/impacts etc.

knowing when a cycle has ended, and fish bioloading begins with regards to uncycled rocks has a specific test to tell when its ready. without the digestion test, only guessing is possible, so it cant be ruled out. another thing that makes responding to untested variables really hard is sometimes animals simply die of natural causes but aquarists will always see it as a param issue, with the current info known about the tank its not possible to establish a cause, only rule them out.
 
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I have not read the other thread, but based on what brandon has stated, that is a very valid claim. Also, you have 2 clowns, one larger and one smaller. The larger one is or is becoming a female and probably isn't accepting the smaller. It's probably getting fin rot because the larger is beating it up. I recommend removing the smaller one as it will mostly likely succumb to death. And fish death in a young tank can nuke the tank if you don't catch it early. Not enough bacteria to handle the sudden large amount of decomposing mass.
 
never considered fish behavior either that's smooth call to consider as well.

if I had to do action X to the tank not knowing the other details, id simply do a giant large water change matching params. that'd remove any offender if applicable at least for that interval.
 
well, to address both concerns here.... adding more REAL live rock will help with any concerns reguarding the ability to handle ammonia, along with frequent water changes. I think the other clown (I did read that thread, just haven't had time to comment on it) will be fine. You can feed them both with vitamins and an antibiotic to help with the fin rot. I looked at the pictures and it could be what that is, but it could also just be the two clowns deciding on dominance. The large will most likely become your female and she is just showing the smaller one who's boss. You'll be ok, and so will they. These are simple solutions to this.
 
Okay thanks does Api stress coat work? I also went to my lfs and he said not to add rock because of ammonia spike so I think I am going to buy manufactured live rock in another thread someone said it was best
 
Ooh didn't see the earlier posts anyways ik we don't know the cause but I have done extensive amounts of reading and I am just satiating my opinion based on my knowledge I post here to get other people's insight and to gain more knowledge so appreciate what your saying. I hope my threads and posts help other gain knowledge as well.
 
the lfs was wrong about the ammonia spike, in fact 180 opposite. Live rock moved from pet store to home all wet doesn't recycle or all my picos would be dead within 24 hours. they are skip cycle tanks, from using pet store live rock.

adding it would reduce the suspected ammonia in the current tank, all you do is package it wet and bring it home from the pet store, no ammonia produced, it w uptake. there is no retail additive for what you are seeking, a stress reliever, its not made but it is stamped on labels.
 
That's depending if the live rock from his lfs is stable and not cycling itself. They may have told him because their rock isn't 100% cycled and this may cause issues to get worse in a small young system.
 
sure agreed, if they are selling uncured rock that could be the case. either way, a digestion test would put to rest all ammonia issues until then we are left guessing. my lfs will sell rock that is cured making it a nonissue, that may not be avail to everyone. a simple ammonia test from the sales vat in question sure would tell quickly though...and then bringing it home wouldn't change things. I called it more likely they were going off the assumption that moving cured lr will always cause a cycle.
 
Totally agree. I just know our lfs normally has bins of live rock ready to go n bins cycling. Sometimes it's bad luck n they're out of the stuff that's ready to go safely into a system. But totally agree it's easy to test before bringing home.
 
I have no suspected ammonia in my tank and yea the rock wasn't cured but anyways if I order live rock online it's fin to put it in my tank?
 
I have no suspected ammonia in my tank and yea the rock wasn't cured but anyways if I order live rock online it's fin to put it in my tank?

Not if you order it online. If you can buy cured live rock and transport it wet, it will still be live and able to help in all aspects. If you order online, it wont do much for you right away. Stress coat wont help you in this situation.
 
Okay well my lfs got the rock like 2 days ago I think he said so should I wait till they are done curing it till I get some?
 
This is the difference between shipped rock and cured rock from the lfs:

Shipped rock is considered uncured upon arrival, expected to have dieoff and produce ammonia upon placement into your tank not from lack of bacteria but from predictable loss of benthic organisms and internal ones too

Cured live rock from the store transported home in buckets won't. Shipping kills benthics, transporting across town in buckets total transit time under two hours doesn't

Both sets of live rock although opposing in ammonia affect have comparably equal amounts of bacteria

Shipping cured rock doesn't kill bacteria, it kills benthics and worms. Tricky concept agreed, so far all respondents here think the tank is not cycled and that's a frustrating call, agreed.



In two mos, these problems will subside I bet. Unless the thread takes a collectively different direction, the weight of the assessment so far is fish + new tank and sensitive inverts equals understandable losses, but it will cease soon

Your cycle is getting boosted with each addition of food either way
 
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Okay well my lfs got the rock like 2 days ago I think he said so should I wait till they are done curing it till I get some?
Is Westport, CT far from NY? If not too far, I know a place that sells cured live rock, the man made with purple color on them. I believe they sell them for $7 or 8/lb
 
Its pretty far, an hour or so. And thanks brandon. Could anyone recommended vitamins that would work in the dt.
 
Its pretty far, an hour or so. And thanks brandon. Could anyone recommended vitamins that would work in the dt.

Selcon is the only one I can think of at the moment, but there are others.
 

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