Reefer 350 stock list (75 gallon)

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I have a RSR 350 (4 ft, 75 g display) currently stocked with:
1 gladiator clownfihs
1 pink streaked wrasse
1 neon goby
1 court jester goby
1 yellow coris wrasse

I was planning a sunburst Anthias and a pintail wrasse but after a couple attempts to QT them and having them die, I’ve give up on those and I’m trying to figure out a new fish plan. Thinking due to most fish being small, chromis would likely kill each other so probably not a good idea? I’m hoping to include some in the open swimmers that are less shy.

Fish being considered:
Royal gramma
Helfrenchi firefish
White tail tang (definitely want)
Dispar anthiasx3
Chromis x5

open to feedback and/or suggestions.
Thank you.
 
Let's see some pics of your aquascape!

What type of community do you want? Is coral a priority? Do you have prized inverts that you don't want to see end up as snacks?
 
Going for a mixed reef (coral is a priority). I have a clam, large cleaner shrimp, and a few feather dusters that I wouldn’t like eaten.
 

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Bump. I assume with this size of tank limit 1 bristletooth tang?
Mmm...I'm sure you'll hear from everyone that, oh you cant put this in, or thats too big, or thats not reef safe, but really its not totally relevant. You have to think to yourself how long do you reckon you'll have this tank setup for, before, you either downgrade, upgrade or take a break from the hobby. For example, in my tank, a red sea reefer XL 425 (similar dimensions to yours), I have a Lemon peel mimic tang and a gem tang. Now the recommended tank size for both of these fish respectively are 125 gal for the mimic and 180 gal for the gem. This however, makes no sense at all, as the mimic tang maxes out at 5cm longer than the gem tang. The mimic tang also requires more open swimming space. Now, neither of these fish are going to reach their maximum length in a tank unless the tank is huge, and even if they did, it would take them quite a while to get there, by which time I may have either taken down my tank or upgraded/downgraded. So the point is, if you purchase a tang that doesn't get TOO big (not over 25cm ideally) at a very small size, chances are it will take a long time to outgrow your tank, or not outgrow it at all. I personally have never seen a gem tang over 15cm, and they aren't a particularly rare fish by any chance, just a common expensive one. At the end of the day it's up to you, because there's no guarantee your tang doesn't outgrow the tank and you end up having to sell it, and whether or not you're ok with that is a whole other question.
 
Mmm...I'm sure you'll hear from everyone that, oh you cant put this in, or thats too big, or thats not reef safe, but really its not totally relevant. You have to think to yourself how long do you reckon you'll have this tank setup for, before, you either downgrade, upgrade or take a break from the hobby. For example, in my tank, a red sea reefer XL 425 (similar dimensions to yours), I have a Lemon peel mimic tang and a gem tang. Now the recommended tank size for both of these fish respectively are 125 gal for the mimic and 180 gal for the gem. This however, makes no sense at all, as the mimic tang maxes out at 5cm longer than the gem tang. The mimic tang also requires more open swimming space. Now, neither of these fish are going to reach their maximum length in a tank unless the tank is huge, and even if they did, it would take them quite a while to get there, by which time I may have either taken down my tank or upgraded/downgraded. So the point is, if you purchase a tang that doesn't get TOO big (not over 25cm ideally) at a very small size, chances are it will take a long time to outgrow your tank, or not outgrow it at all. I personally have never seen a gem tang over 15cm, and they aren't a particularly rare fish by any chance, just a common expensive one. At the end of the day it's up to you, because there's no guarantee your tang doesn't outgrow the tank and you end up having to sell it, and whether or not you're ok with that is a whole other question.
It’s not the size that makes a tang too big. It’s all about the activity, a 4’ wouldn’t be able to house a large species of tang (For example Zebrasoma desjardini) once it got to 4 inches. I personally find it ridiculous getting a fish you know will need a MUCH larger tank than yours in the long run as you never know if something will hold up the upgrade of tank and rehoming a tang that’s 1’ or bigger is never going to be easy. You then also have to consider their aggression, the less room you have for that fish then the less likely you will have a peaceful fish for its whole life.
And another thing I should add:
If your tang doesn’t grow fast to Atleast half of it’s max size then it’s more than likely you aren’t giving the tang the correct diet it needs.

The OP is better to stick with a species from the genus Ctenochaetus instead of going for a species that is going to get aggressive, active and large in a short amount of time.
 
Purple fire fish, fangtooth blenny, coral beauty
 

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I have a RSR 350 (4 ft, 75 g display) currently stocked with:
1 gladiator clownfihs
1 pink streaked wrasse
1 neon goby
1 court jester goby
1 yellow coris wrasse

I was planning a sunburst Anthias and a pintail wrasse but after a couple attempts to QT them and having them die, I’ve give up on those and I’m trying to figure out a new fish plan. Thinking due to most fish being small, chromis would likely kill each other so probably not a good idea? I’m hoping to include some in the open swimmers that are less shy.

Fish being considered:
Royal gramma
Helfrenchi firefish
White tail tang (definitely want)
Dispar anthiasx3
Chromis x5

open to feedback and/or suggestions.
Thank you.
Setting up a 75

2 clowns
Fairy wrasse
Flasher wrasse
Possum
Bristletooth tang
Fire fish
Blenny
Dragonette
Clown goby
 
It’s not the size that makes a tang too big. It’s all about the activity, a 4’ wouldn’t be able to house a large species of tang (For example Zebrasoma desjardini) once it got to 4 inches. I personally find it ridiculous getting a fish you know will need a MUCH larger tank than yours in the long run as you never know if something will hold up the upgrade of tank and rehoming a tang that’s 1’ or bigger is never going to be easy. You then also have to consider their aggression, the less room you have for that fish then the less likely you will have a peaceful fish for its whole life.
And another thing I should add:
If your tang doesn’t grow fast to Atleast half of it’s max size then it’s more than likely you aren’t giving the tang the correct diet it needs.

The OP is better to stick with a species from the genus Ctenochaetus instead of going for a species that is going to get aggressive, active and large in a short amount of time.
+1 to all of this.

@Goonter - I would absolutely keep a Tomini tang in a 75 gallon (I have one, he's one of my favorite fish).
The tomini is the smallest of the Ctenochaetus (but still, footprint of the tank matters and 70 gallons is the MINIMUM for even this tang). I would find the smallest one you can - mine has grown fast. LFS often get them in pretty small, 1-2" sometimes. Like @i cant think said, if you're feeding them correctly and well, you need to plan on shortening the amount of time you think you have before a tang would outgrow your tank.

So as far as your proposed fish go, here is what I would consider adding if it was my tank:

1. Juvenile Tomini tang (or white tail, though understand they do get a little bigger than the tomini)
2. Royal Gramma
3. Anthias (dispar are ok, or my personal favorite - sunset anthias) x 4 or 5 (1 male, 3-4 females)
4. Midas blenny
5. Watchman goby/pistol shrimp pair
 
+1 to all of this.

@Goonter - I would absolutely keep a Tomini tang in a 75 gallon (I have one, he's one of my favorite fish).
The tomini is the smallest of the Ctenochaetus (but still, footprint of the tank matters and 70 gallons is the MINIMUM for even this tang). I would find the smallest one you can - mine has grown fast. LFS often get them in pretty small, 1-2" sometimes. Like @i cant think said, if you're feeding them correctly and well, you need to plan on shortening the amount of time you think you have before a tang would outgrow your tank.

So as far as your proposed fish go, here is what I would consider adding if it was my tank:

1. Juvenile Tomini tang (or white tail, though understand they do get a little bigger than the tomini)
2. Royal Gramma
3. Anthias (dispar are ok, or my personal favorite - sunset anthias) x 4 or 5 (1 male, 3-4 females)
4. Midas blenny
5. Watchman goby/pistol shrimp pair
I’m thinking of pivoting my stock list to the following:

already have:
Pink streak wrasse
Gladiator clownfish (just 1)
Neon goby
Yellow coris wrasse
Court jester goby

planning:
3-4 Dispar anthias
1 sunburst Anthias
One spot foxface
Tomni or white tail bristletooth tang
3-5 chromis (this one I keep going back and forth on… not fully convinced)

do we think this would be too many/much?
 
I’m thinking of pivoting my stock list to the following:

already have:
Pink streak wrasse
Gladiator clownfish (just 1)
Neon goby
Yellow coris wrasse
Court jester goby

planning:
3-4 Dispar anthias
1 sunburst Anthias
One spot foxface
Tomni or white tail bristletooth tang
3-5 chromis (this one I keep going back and forth on… not fully convinced)

do we think this would be too many/much?
I think with the anthias you just need to try to make sure you don't get 2 males. Even with all females, the most dominant one will eventually turn male.

As far as the bristletooth or tomini tang goes - I love my tomini. He has a lot of personality. He can be territorial though (he chases my diamond goby sometimes) so make sure you have a lot of caves and hiding places. Looks like you do (the tang will definitely claim one of those caves). Also I've learned tangs poop A LOT, lol, so be prepared to keep a close eye on your water quality. I think the white tails are really gorgeous, and they're similar fish so I'd go with the one that you like the looks of the most.

As far as the Chromis go... I've considered them as well, for some active colorful schooling-type fish. But, basically everyone says they eventually pick eachother off and you end up with one. I believe they're less likely to murder eachother in much bigger tanks where you can keep a huge school of them. Then the aggression is more spread out. Also they are prone to uronema.

Now the foxface - I've actually literally been going back and forth about getting one myself recently, partially to round out my utilitarian fish crew, but also because I think they're really cool fish (and had one in my dad's tank when I was a kid). Problem is, they get big (even the one spot)... a small one would be ok for a year or two in a 75 gallon from what I've been told, but you'd have to plan to rehome it in the future as it reaches adult size. I don't like the idea of having to rehome a fish that I've had a long time, so I'm thinking I'll pass on this fish. (I already will probably need to rehome my baby yellow tang in a few years if I haven't upgraded by the time it gets big). I've noticed the "foxface police" are the new "tang police" as well... lol. (I say this in jest, as they really DO have a point that these fish are probably much better suited to a tank over 100 gallons minimum). There are people who keep them in 75 gallons though and they do ok. So it always comes down to a personal decision.

Last but not least, I don't think your list would be too many fish (though I would do the anthias OR the Chromis, not both).
I keep a bit of an overstocked tank though so, there are others who may tell you it's too many. I believe in overfiltering to handle the bioload of that many fish, paying very close attention to compatibility and how you introduce new fish, and introduce them slowly - one or two every few weeks. (Except for the anthias - I'd add those all together). That way you're not overloading your biological filtration. You also want to look for fish that inhabit different parts of the water column (your choices look pretty good as far as that goes).

Just for comparison, here is what I currently have in my tank (and the order in which I added them):
Bicolor blenny
Pair of Darwin clowns
Tomini tang
Melanurus wrasse
Diamond goby
Striped fang blenny
Flame hawkfish
Captive bred yellow tang (very tiny)

The last fish I plan to add are a Yellowtail tamarin wrasse (being quarantined right now), and a small group of anthias (either sunburst or Evansi, haven't decided). MAYBE a small foxface... but probably not. I will probably wait for that for if/when I have a larger tank someday.

Hope this helped?
 
Midas blenny
Long nose hawkfish
Lyretail anthias x3

All peaceful and stay relatively small and all are active swimmers although hawkfish likes to perch on stuff. Still very cool addition.
 
I think with the anthias you just need to try to make sure you don't get 2 males. Even with all females, the most dominant one will eventually turn male.

As far as the bristletooth or tomini tang goes - I love my tomini. He has a lot of personality. He can be territorial though (he chases my diamond goby sometimes) so make sure you have a lot of caves and hiding places. Looks like you do (the tang will definitely claim one of those caves). Also I've learned tangs poop A LOT, lol, so be prepared to keep a close eye on your water quality. I think the white tails are really gorgeous, and they're similar fish so I'd go with the one that you like the looks of the most.

As far as the Chromis go... I've considered them as well, for some active colorful schooling-type fish. But, basically everyone says they eventually pick eachother off and you end up with one. I believe they're less likely to murder eachother in much bigger tanks where you can keep a huge school of them. Then the aggression is more spread out. Also they are prone to uronema.

Now the foxface - I've actually literally been going back and forth about getting one myself recently, partially to round out my utilitarian fish crew, but also because I think they're really cool fish (and had one in my dad's tank when I was a kid). Problem is, they get big (even the one spot)... a small one would be ok for a year or two in a 75 gallon from what I've been told, but you'd have to plan to rehome it in the future as it reaches adult size. I don't like the idea of having to rehome a fish that I've had a long time, so I'm thinking I'll pass on this fish. (I already will probably need to rehome my baby yellow tang in a few years if I haven't upgraded by the time it gets big). I've noticed the "foxface police" are the new "tang police" as well... lol. (I say this in jest, as they really DO have a point that these fish are probably much better suited to a tank over 100 gallons minimum). There are people who keep them in 75 gallons though and they do ok. So it always comes down to a personal decision.

Last but not least, I don't think your list would be too many fish (though I would do the anthias OR the Chromis, not both).
I keep a bit of an overstocked tank though so, there are others who may tell you it's too many. I believe in overfiltering to handle the bioload of that many fish, paying very close attention to compatibility and how you introduce new fish, and introduce them slowly - one or two every few weeks. (Except for the anthias - I'd add those all together). That way you're not overloading your biological filtration. You also want to look for fish that inhabit different parts of the water column (your choices look pretty good as far as that goes).

Just for comparison, here is what I currently have in my tank (and the order in which I added them):
Bicolor blenny
Pair of Darwin clowns
Tomini tang
Melanurus wrasse
Diamond goby
Striped fang blenny
Flame hawkfish
Captive bred yellow tang (very tiny)

The last fish I plan to add are a Yellowtail tamarin wrasse (being quarantined right now), and a small group of anthias (either sunburst or Evansi, haven't decided). MAYBE a small foxface... but probably not. I will probably wait for that for if/when I have a larger tank someday.

Hope this helped?
This was perfect. I appreciate all the effort you put into this response.

The chromis and foxface I’ve been on the fence about for the same reasons you mentioned— except I’ve read mixed reviews about a one spot in a 4 ft tank (and I was hoping for some help with bubble algae). Maybe I will shy away from those and just go with the Anthias, tang, and potentially add a Royal gramma or potentially look into a blenny. You mentioned over filtering— here is a sidebar question: I’ve been looking into those ceramic blocks to add to sumps, but I keep reading about how they leach stuff into the water. What are you using to boost bio filter?
 
Midas blenny
Long nose hawkfish
Lyretail anthias x3

All peaceful and stay relatively small and all are active swimmers although hawkfish likes to perch on stuff. Still very cool addition.
I forgot about a long nose hawkfish, that could be a fun idea to look into.
 

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