Reefkeeping Fads??

I cut up lawnman's quote but definitely agree that R2R caters to fads. There was a thread the other day about 2012 top 10 zoas. What is that? I didn't post to it because it would have come off bad, real bad. Sometimes this forum makes me sick. I have no patience for posers following fads who have living stamp collections. Call me a hater, I don't care. I remember when Sunny D was an orange drink, not a zoanthid.

I went to see a fellow reefer's tank the other day and he didn't have a single named coral. He also isn't online so he has no clue about the name game. It was refreshing to see that he just cared about the animals and how to care for them.

That's my rant. I feel better now.

LOL! Totally true!

I have to add to this one. The naming of corals is ok to the point of being able to inventory what you have. By no means should a name determine the price of a coral though. I've seen people talk about the "deal" they got at $1000 for an eye of a colorful cow-pie and it made me cringe. Too many people get focused on the name game and with the economy the way it has been I am surprised it hasn't died off yet.
 
I don't really see too many FADS so to speak in the hobby. Things change. Using LED lighting would never have been mentioned years ago. It has only been recently that a large percentage of hobbyists use RO/DI units in the creation of saltwater. Vodka dosing may be a FAD but not really. I wouldn't call any of these things FADS but more adaptations and changes in methodology along with new technology.
 
Yeah, a lot of these things aren't really Fads. They are more like progression of the hobby. It's like saying PC bulbs were a fad or live rock was a fad. It's just known now that PC bulbs are not as efficient and live rock isn't totally necessary so people don't use them as much. I think a Fad would be something more like putting colorful lights in your tank and using glass hermit crab shells (yes they exist) or using moon sand.
 
One Fad I can note is the current trend of wealthy people across the country to install very large, likely biologically unstable aquariums in their homes.
 
As others have noted already, I feel that the biggest fad is livestock, be it fish, coral, or other tank inhabitants. Chalices are all the craze right now. Before that Acans, before that zoas. The rest I feel is our ever improving understanding as aquarists as to what it tanks to not only keep our tank inhabitants alive, but allow them to thrive. This includes the ever improving technology that makes our tanks more stable and more suitable for our inhabitants.
 
It's been around forever.. here's an article from 7 years ago about this exact topic! Reef Trendy? by Anthony Calfo - Reefkeeping.com Ricordias Acans Chalice Zoa's Montipora Blame the trendy Vendors out there. I shouldn't have to name them but if you see a person/business name before a coral then it's their fault. Lighting isn't a trend, LED's are here to stay and this isn't just a reefing thing, LED's are starting to come out for everything, lamps, flood lights, TV's it's hand's down just a better choice. I personally don't believe that LED's are 100% "here" yet but that's another story.
 
It's been around forever.. here's an article from 7 years ago about this exact topic! Reef Trendy? by Anthony Calfo - Reefkeeping.com Ricordias Acans Chalice Zoa's Montipora Blame the trendy Vendors out there. I shouldn't have to name them but if you see a person/business name before a coral then it's their fault. Lighting isn't a trend, LED's are here to stay and this isn't just a reefing thing, LED's are starting to come out for everything, lamps, flood lights, TV's it's hand's down just a better choice. I personally don't believe that LED's are 100% "here" yet but that's another story.

Really appreciate the link to that article, very interesting read.
 
FAdS Shift in this hobby all the time..But totally agree that Live stock are the main fads
 
Personally I believe that the "fads" are all dreamt up by the wholesalers and the production companies. What I mean is that a wholesaler gets a weird fish in, gives it a nifty name, and markets it as "rare", demand skyrockets and so does the price. Same with production companies, howerver the good news about them is that these fads drive the R&D and push them to want to make the sell and to market the next big thing. As far as the next big fad, I think someone will discover some type of coral with crazy colors, like the rainbow acans or something, and say its from the dead sea and the only living coral from there or something like that, LOL!

Actually it works in the reverse order. Wholesalers when it comes to fads are second only to the exporters/collectors in terms of being the slowest to jump on trends.

1) We the community, vendor plant, or vendor start the fads by generating interest either via threads or pictures. "Hey check out this amazing thing I just got".

2a) WE start getting flooded with request of dollar offers from our fellow collectors with a limited supply we cut up are pieces and sell them for what we can get for them. This price fluctuates depending on what each individual considers "fair"

2b) The Cherry pickers/(Sharks) aka savvy retailers exploit this by going to wholesalers/suppliers by cherry picking the pieces while trying not to let on that this may be an upcoming trend. (We try to get as much as we can as cheap as we can). If I go to the wholesalers and see 5 neon blue with orange poka dot frogspawns I buy them all. If I'm the guy with the best/most unique stuff I get the business. They also race to "name the piece" hoping to get a big piece of the market. Why is this you ask.


3) When the wholesalers finally take notice they increase in demand for specific corals. Increase the supply, and raise the price the price to try to capitalize on the vendors.

4) When the exporters catch on they meet the demand of the wholesalers, flood the market and the trend dies as prices plummet.

Every single piece I made BIG money off is because I had bought it before the wholesalers caught on to trends. Large Blue zoanthids rocks for 20-30$ sold on ebay 700-800$, acans, chalices, etc. It's a funny circle the ends up cutting off it's own head, and the smaller LFS are the ones that get burnt. Basically once the wholesalers find out what the items are retailing for they try to correct the margins and start charging a lot more. However by the time they usually end up finding out the trend is already in the decline so what happens is when your every day LFS (not high end store) gets enough requests for Blue Zoa and calls up the wholesalers reps and says hey can I get a couple of these they are now 400 a pop, there isn't enough meat on the bone so they don't buy them. The customer gets upset and say the store sucks and come back to us the cherry pickers for the best pieces. We can afford to pay higher price the wholesaler demands because we already capitalized on the trend early and eventually they become a loss leader for the next trending item we debut.

It basically follows the chain of demand, and not the other way around . If the wholesalers were to say HEY CHECK OUT This super awesome piece I have give me a grand for it. I respond with nobody is asking me for it, I'm not going to risk my money on it. Wholesalers are about moving volume. They aren't agile enough to adapt to trends fast enough to capitalize on them. If they could they would just run there own online stores and cherry pick the best stuff. Like Reefer Madness used to.

Fads aren't really a bad thing. It's only when scrupulous people (and/or vendors) get involved who misrepresent products either via lying about lineage, doctoring photos, lying about rarity, or selling wild fresh cut pieces under the assumption they are captive reared to extort the consumer. This is when things get out of hand and "fads/trends" get portrayed in a bad light. There is nothing wrong with everybody being into the same thing.
 
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I cut up lawnman's quote but definitely agree that R2R caters to fads. There was a thread the other day about 2012 top 10 zoas. What is that? I didn't post to it because it would have come off bad, real bad. Sometimes this forum makes me sick. I have no patience for those following fads who have living stamp collections. Call me a hater, I don't care. I remember when Sunny D was an orange drink, not a zoanthid.

Perhaps you need to understand a little more of the history of this particular site to understand that particular thread. R2R originally started out as Club Zoa - it was in part a site started by zoanthid lovers who created it because they had been told on another very popular site, that they could not asking for frags or to be put on a frag list. The original focus of the entire site was zoanthids. Since it was created, this site has had threads dedicated to showing off the nicest polyps - named or unnamed. The thread isn't about the names (although they are used because that is the easiest way to identify them), but rather its about showing off and commenting on the nicest polyps currently on the market.

Personally, in regards to names, I could care less - just cause it has a name, doesn't make it desirable IMO. However it is certainly easier to know which polyp you're talking about if you can reference them by name. Why are Tub's blues named Tub's blue? Because a individual with the user name "tubs" was the first one to show them off, and they were blue. In other words, ease of identification. No doubt its gone off a long ways since then, what with all the designer names and the same polyps being named 5 or 6 different names depending on the lighting, etc.
 
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There should be no top ten list for any coral- it's flat out lame. I'm sick of sexy this and cherry that. This site has more of it than any forum because it's driven by vendors. it is what it is...
 
There should be no top ten list for any coral- it's flat out lame. I'm sick of sexy this and cherry that. This site has more of it than any forum because it's driven by vendors. it is what it is...

You are welcome to your opinion but please not with a flaming attitude. This forum is just not for everyone and we understand that. No hard feelings. Part of the hobby that people love is buying, selling, and trading.
 
This site has more of it than any forum because it's driven by vendors. it is what it is...

My friend, I would challenge you to find and post a link to any of the reef forums on the net that doesn't have a show off thread for corals, named or otherwise. Indeed, we all love our tanks and our corals and its great to see people that don't get all caught up in the name game enjoying their reefs for the simple sake of what they are. The truth is we all still enjoy showing off what we have. One of my favorite threads on this site is PaulB's 40 year old reef tank. Don't think he's ever indicated having any "named" corals in his tank - the tank is healthy and obviously very happy, yet goes against all most all the common recommendations of how to successfully keep a reef tank. But even he is posting pictures of corals and fish thriving in his system. Why? Because we are all proud of our own little slice of the ocean, and we all strive for better health and color in our tanks.
 
Why no top 10 list? Why not have people vote or discuss what there favorite pieces are? I dig them they are fun and don't mean anything. The only thing more fun is seeing a top 10 list from 5 years ago and seeing what corals still make the cut.
 
Naming of corals is no different than naming of flowers. If you're a rose enthusiast, you'll find that different varieties or strains of roses have different names. You won't find "Red Roses," you'll find 50 different varieties of red roses, all with individual names. It's a way of differentiating between different varieties or strains of red roses.

There are many different varieties of green zoanthids...naming them helps to differentiate between the many varieties of green zoanthids.

Name corals may be a 'fad,' that some don't like or appreciate, BUT it's also a necessary 'evil.' Another example, I have 3 different blue Acropora corals in my tank. I also have 2 different red Millipora. Without names, how would I differentiate? The 2 different red Millipora are the same species, so just using species names wouldn't work.
 
No hard feelings here, no worries. Wy is not the only one who likes a spirited debate ;)

I like fun threads for pure entertainment. I also know that there is pressure to come up with new thread ideas to keep R2R fresh. It's all good.

Personally, I like the chemistry forum which may not be for everyone.
 
No hard feelings here, no worries. Wy is not the only one who likes a spirited debate ;)

I like fun threads for pure entertainment. I also know that there is pressure to come up with new thread ideas to keep R2R fresh. It's all good.

Personally, I like the chemistry forum which may not be for everyone.

Thank you and I agree. I appreciate all you can and will do to keep us adding good, interesting and informative topics! :D
 
Fads aren't really a bad thing. It's only when scrupulous people (and/or vendors) get involved who misrepresent products either via lying about lineage, doctoring photos, lying about rarity, or selling wild fresh cut pieces under the assumption they are captive reared to extort the consumer. This is when things get out of hand and "fads/trends" get portrayed in a bad light. There is nothing wrong with everybody being into the same thing.
totally agree with this because I have seen it before and will not hesitate to call anyone out if i know for sure theyre being unscrupulous.
 
One thing that would be interesting to discuss is reef keeping trends in various countries. Here in the U.S. I still think the focus is on natural reef aquariums that recreate certain areas of the world's oceans. I have heard in Japan that some reef aquariums contain bleached coral and wild lighting to make the fish/coral glow. The idea of bleaching a coral here is crazy but it would be interesting to focus on trends from other countries.
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

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