Refugium? Yes or No, please explain?

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I am about to get my new RedSea tank (130 gal). Currently I have a 30 gal tank and I have an algae problem that I can’t get under control. I have heard good things about refugium sand I have heard bad things as well. I just want what’s best for my tank and no algae. What are your thoughts.
 
It can help lower PO4/Nitrate depending on its size vs the bioload/size of the tank. I have had tanks with and without reugiums, I mostly use refugiums for the beneficial pods they grow and not for Nitrate/PO4 control. The best way to control algae for me was to go slow with the tank and stock slow... take my time and perform regular maintenance and have a proper CUC.

Also growing lots of coral eats the nitrate and PO4 right up which is the best form of nutrient control imo!
 
It can help lower PO4/Nitrate depending on its size vs the bioload/size of the tank. I have had tanks with and without reugiums, I mostly use refugiums for the beneficial pods they grow and not for Nitrate/PO4 control. The best way to control algae for me was to go slow with the tank and stock slow... take my time and perform regular maintenance and have a proper CUC.

Also growing lots of coral eats the nitrate and PO4 right up which is the best form of nutrient control imo!

I think the CUC is the issue cause I have tried that as well. I ask about it and keep getting different answers. I have 6 anemone, 2 clowns, one blue chromis, and well the pic says the rest.

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I think the CUC is the issue cause I have tried that as well. I ask about it and keep getting different answers. I have 6 anemone, 2 clowns, one blue chromis, and well the pic says the rest.

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The tank looks nice and the coral looks healthy. I would just toss a tuxedo urchin and a Mexican turbo and see what happens. Soak the powerhead :)
 
in the vast majority of tanks that present for algae problems in our peroxide work threads across forums, they're already running refugia, po4 controls, no pox, the right fish, the right cuc, the right nitrate controls, and they still have algae. In the end you need to use a way that works independently of 3rd party gear. all that stuff does is prevent you from curing your own algae issue / saves work. they will not prevent a tank loss to invasion minus the correct intervention at just the right time. whether or not a tank has invasion issues is fully independent of its nutrient control scheme, we see invasions across all setups.

the people who are great at commanding one of the preventative options in their own tanks have a near impossible time commuting that action to others consistently in large collection threads. what works for the masses is very different than what works in a master's home setting that's for sure. the masses need cheats and so do I.
*if someone wants to start off not cheating, that's fine. but you make a setpoint...(if algae X winds up growing here, where there currently is none, then its cheat time) and stick to it.

The sole cause of lost tanks to invasion is a psychology where they will ride out the invasion until total loss, watching it take over, when intervention threads are quite good nowadays at heading off the total loss. its rarely an actual invader problem, its a willingness problem on the part of the keeper. sometimes its a knowledge issue/didn't know a cheat save was possible.

That tank above can be kept algae free forever not even measuring any params or ever having the rocks taken over. If an area of rock misbehaves, take out the rock and kill the algae, be creative. done. minor hand guiding until it all cakes in coralline is the real key, coralline algae is a staunch invasion-resisting substrate, second only to actual coral flesh.
 
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I went refugium with Triton on my Reefer 170 build and I love it. Its like extra cool real estate with stuff growing in it. I have a couple different kinds of macro, some small feeder shrimp (In fuge and main display) that clean the micro off the macro and some snails in there. It smells great and work well. Now my problem is getting nitrate to go above 0 and phosphate too, 0 ppb. I just started dosing back nitrate and feeding more stuff (phyto, reef chili etc) to bump up phos. And my skimmer is very small, Tunze 9004.

The one thing I did learn is that you need a good light which lets the macro out compete the algae in your main display (Im using Kessel H160 but H380 would be better for your size tank). You also need to dose some elements that the macro need (If you don't your macro may suffer). Im doing this through Triton as its a part of the core elements supplements already so I don't really think about it.

When I seem to get algae is when I go on extended vacation and screw up something, like skimmer overflowing, too much autofeeder etc. It only takes a few days of correction before the algae gets under control in the main display. Also got an urchin and that helps as well. But I don't have enough experience to have seen what the next outbreak might be.

But I'm new to this..so take it with a grain of salt. However my experience is good so far. Thx.
 

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