Refugiums Today-wow!

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I’ve been reminiscing over the changes in reefing we’ve seen these past couple decades.

Things have come and gone, deep sand beds, 1-2 pounds of rock per gallon, plenums, some types of lighting, etc...

One that strikes me is the refugium. I have run them in the past. They did a reasonable job in the endless battle against nutrients. Back in the day, I ran them with sand, rock, pods, caulerpa....then came chaeto and mangroves.

Perhaps it was the small size or lighting but they were never the total solution. Then came vodka dosing and I found I could strip my system of nitrate and phosphate completely. Done with refugiums I said!

The carbon dosing brought its own issues over time. Once an overdose created such a bloom of bacteria that my pumps clogged with a sludge and slime of bacteria only to be followed by the dreaded Dino’s ugh!

In any event, I set up a frag tank about a year ago. It’s a modest 24x24x8 acrylic tank. I wanted to run it triton so I set it up with a triton sump.

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I used some pond matrix on the floor of the refugium section and lighted it with a kessel. I keep a 6 line wrasse and lawnmower blenny in the frag tank along with an emerald crab and a couple trochus snails.

I started the system up and cycled with a cocktail shrimp. Nitrates eventually built up to about 20 and i then turned on the lights and started growing chaeto and some dragons breath.

All was good and nutrients were stable at Nitrate of 10-15 and phosphate of .06-0.1.

I added a few frags and they took off.
I feed heavily and all seemed good.

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I never really thought a refugium could completely strip nutrients given my past experience but with these new lights [emoji15] wow!

Several months later I started noticing some STN from the bases.
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I checked alk and it was rock stable along with Calcium, salinity and pH. My phosphate was low but detectable 0.01-0.03. I didn’t really check nitrate ( my kit was expired) and I couldn’t imagine it was zero since the macroalgae was growing well.

I was expecting some die off as per triton method but it was not coming. I kept feeding and the algae just kept taking off. I tried cutting back the fuge lighting and no change.

I finally tested nitrate and bingo it was zero. I fed more, harvested chaeto, less light, and still zero. Interestingly phos held given some of the pellet food I was using. Over the next two months nitrate stayed at zero despite feedings, etc and the chaeto kept growing.

I was considering dosing nitrate but decided to use reef energy instead. After a couple week I finally started seeing some nitrate and the STN stopped and started reversing.

Things have continued to improve. I guess I’m astounded at how effective the modern refugium when properly lit can be. Twenty years ago I would never have believed we could strip a system of all nutrients by simply growing macro algae! The times...they are a changing! [emoji6]

Happy reefing!
 
Yeah and with a waterfall algae turf scrubber and a 10 watt led you can do the same thing as a large refugium. Wait until you hear about dinoflagellets!
 
I used to like watching the pods 'n stuff in my refugium. I am also amazed at the changes in the hobby in the past 25 years or so.
 
Yeah and with a waterfall algae turf scrubber and a 10 watt led you can do the same thing as a large refugium. Wait until you hear about dinoflagellets!

Oh I’m very familiar with Dino’s. As I mentioned I was plagued with them in my 13 year old system after a NOPOX overdose. It took a year to finally rid myself of them.
 
Oh I’m very familiar with Dino’s. As I mentioned I was plagued with them in my 13 year old system after a NOPOX overdose. It took a year to finally rid myself of them.
Howd you get rid of em?
 
Howd you get rid of em?
Stopped carbon dosing, Stopped GFO
Heavy Feeding
Didn't clean glass and let algae take off
Siphoned Sand daily for several weeks (Wash it in fresh water and put it back in)
For a time I siphoned it all out except for a few patches and added new sand a few months later.
Added a small UV Filter
Dosed Sponge Excel (Silicates) until I saw diatoms starting to take hold under the microscope
Added a mix of Pods from Florida Pets every month.

Once my Nutrients stabilized and the diatoms and microflora were reestablished the Dino's subsided. Under the microscope you can still see the occasional one swimming around but they are vastly outnumbered by diatoms and various planktonic species. To the eye they are gone.

Here's a graph I made when I was dealing with it and keeping track of everything-

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I’ve been reminiscing over the changes in reefing we’ve seen these past couple decades.

Things have come and gone, deep sand beds, 1-2 pounds of rock per gallon, plenums, some types of lighting, etc...

One that strikes me is the refugium. I have run them in the past. They did a reasonable job in the endless battle against nutrients. Back in the day, I ran them with sand, rock, pods, caulerpa....then came chaeto and mangroves.

Perhaps it was the small size or lighting but they were never the total solution. Then came vodka dosing and I found I could strip my system of nitrate and phosphate completely. Done with refugiums I said!

The carbon dosing brought its own issues over time. Once an overdose created such a bloom of bacteria that my pumps clogged with a sludge and slime of bacteria only to be followed by the dreaded Dino’s ugh!

In any event, I set up a frag tank about a year ago. It’s a modest 24x24x8 acrylic tank. I wanted to run it triton so I set it up with a triton sump.

6f1688dbd53209ffe61d296a7e196afe.jpg


ddc1d7fb705ad611eddf1a3dc73c4d34.jpg


ebaec8deb1aac655eca8d32974582777.jpg


I used some pond matrix on the floor of the refugium section and lighted it with a kessel. I keep a 6 line wrasse and lawnmower blenny in the frag tank along with an emerald crab and a couple trochus snails.

I started the system up and cycled with a cocktail shrimp. Nitrates eventually built up to about 20 and i then turned on the lights and started growing chaeto and some dragons breath.

All was good and nutrients were stable at Nitrate of 10-15 and phosphate of .06-0.1.

I added a few frags and they took off.
I feed heavily and all seemed good.

797376e9e03bb60097c4196e49dd2a45.jpg


1092ed8b96155ba21530f130de55f12b.jpg


b12c7ae1ea83d73c8a8dde97f234ad14.jpg


I never really thought a refugium could completely strip nutrients given my past experience but with these new lights [emoji15] wow!

Several months later I started noticing some STN from the bases.
c8ee4df568db1f7fdc4f6cae775e475b.jpg

I checked alk and it was rock stable along with Calcium, salinity and pH. My phosphate was low but detectable 0.01-0.03. I didn’t really check nitrate ( my kit was expired) and I couldn’t imagine it was zero since the macroalgae was growing well.

I was expecting some die off as per triton method but it was not coming. I kept feeding and the algae just kept taking off. I tried cutting back the fuge lighting and no change.

I finally tested nitrate and bingo it was zero. I fed more, harvested chaeto, less light, and still zero. Interestingly phos held given some of the pellet food I was using. Over the next two months nitrate stayed at zero despite feedings, etc and the chaeto kept growing.

I was considering dosing nitrate but decided to use reef energy instead. After a couple week I finally started seeing some nitrate and the STN stopped and started reversing.

Things have continued to improve. I guess I’m astounded at how effective the modern refugium when properly lit can be. Twenty years ago I would never have believed we could strip a system of all nutrients by simply growing macro algae! The times...they are a changing! [emoji6]

Happy reefing!

I returned to reef keeping on 10/2017, had a refugium outside home, needed 1/2hp chiller. 80 oysters, 10 cherry stone clams, 3 abalone. Chaeto, miracle mud,etc... loved it.

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I’ve been reminiscing over the changes in reefing we’ve seen these past couple decades.

Things have come and gone, deep sand beds, 1-2 pounds of rock per gallon, plenums, some types of lighting, etc...

One that strikes me is the refugium. I have run them in the past. They did a reasonable job in the endless battle against nutrients. Back in the day, I ran them with sand, rock, pods, caulerpa....then came chaeto and mangroves.

Perhaps it was the small size or lighting but they were never the total solution. Then came vodka dosing and I found I could strip my system of nitrate and phosphate completely. Done with refugiums I said!

The carbon dosing brought its own issues over time. Once an overdose created such a bloom of bacteria that my pumps clogged with a sludge and slime of bacteria only to be followed by the dreaded Dino’s ugh!

In any event, I set up a frag tank about a year ago. It’s a modest 24x24x8 acrylic tank. I wanted to run it triton so I set it up with a triton sump.

6f1688dbd53209ffe61d296a7e196afe.jpg


ddc1d7fb705ad611eddf1a3dc73c4d34.jpg


ebaec8deb1aac655eca8d32974582777.jpg


I used some pond matrix on the floor of the refugium section and lighted it with a kessel. I keep a 6 line wrasse and lawnmower blenny in the frag tank along with an emerald crab and a couple trochus snails.

I started the system up and cycled with a cocktail shrimp. Nitrates eventually built up to about 20 and i then turned on the lights and started growing chaeto and some dragons breath.

All was good and nutrients were stable at Nitrate of 10-15 and phosphate of .06-0.1.

I added a few frags and they took off.
I feed heavily and all seemed good.

797376e9e03bb60097c4196e49dd2a45.jpg


1092ed8b96155ba21530f130de55f12b.jpg


b12c7ae1ea83d73c8a8dde97f234ad14.jpg


I never really thought a refugium could completely strip nutrients given my past experience but with these new lights [emoji15] wow!

Several months later I started noticing some STN from the bases.
c8ee4df568db1f7fdc4f6cae775e475b.jpg

I checked alk and it was rock stable along with Calcium, salinity and pH. My phosphate was low but detectable 0.01-0.03. I didn’t really check nitrate ( my kit was expired) and I couldn’t imagine it was zero since the macroalgae was growing well.

I was expecting some die off as per triton method but it was not coming. I kept feeding and the algae just kept taking off. I tried cutting back the fuge lighting and no change.

I finally tested nitrate and bingo it was zero. I fed more, harvested chaeto, less light, and still zero. Interestingly phos held given some of the pellet food I was using. Over the next two months nitrate stayed at zero despite feedings, etc and the chaeto kept growing.

I was considering dosing nitrate but decided to use reef energy instead. After a couple week I finally started seeing some nitrate and the STN stopped and started reversing.

Things have continued to improve. I guess I’m astounded at how effective the modern refugium when properly lit can be. Twenty years ago I would never have believed we could strip a system of all nutrients by simply growing macro algae! The times...they are a changing! [emoji6]

Happy reefing!
So yesterday converted DT 24gal. To semi refugium and add 46 gal. DT, so add 36 oysters in small DT and 11 oysters in 46gal. DT, rear false wall.
I'm using oysters like a pre-filter, and hopefully they spawn from time to time.

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So yesterday converted DT 24gal. To semi refugium and add 46 gal. DT, so add 36 oysters in small DT and 11 oysters in 46gal. DT, rear false wall.
I'm using oysters like a pre-filter, and hopefully they spawn from time to time.

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Those are tropical species?
 

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