Regarding MP40 QD bearings...

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So after shaking the Internet tree for all the info I could about replacing dry side bearings on my quiet drive MP40s, I realized there was some confusion regarding the bearings on the QD version of the MP40s.
So this post is to put that to rest.
They’re standard, cheaply made, skateboard bearings. Both of them. You can pick up an 8 pack at any skate shop. The ones that were originally in the pump were Chinese knockoffs of Japanese bearing manufacture Nippon Bearing. I wanted to see if I could get a little longer life (both my units started making noise after 2.5 years of <50% power), so I installed some semi-decent quality ceramic bearings; $85 for a set of eight from a local skate shop. (You can get decent bearings for a lot cheaper, or a lot more expensive. These fit the price point I was looking for). Factory Pre-lubed and sealed, with plastic cages. There’s a LOT of stupid marketing gimmicks around bearings in the skate industry. Just pick any major brand and you’ll certainly get good enough for this purpose. I wouldn’t even bother with ceramic, really. I was just curious about how they would perform.

I’ve had them running for about six days now. They’re actually ever so slightly louder than the old bearings were when new. Certainly due to the hardness of the ceramic balls, which should slowly polish the races over time. (My tank is extremely quiet, with a remote sump in the garage. The MPs are the only moving parts in the display room. You wouldn’t be able to hear them at all otherwise.) So I’m pleased. We shall see how the new bearings hold out.
Honestly, there’s almost no load on these bearings. The little spring (the wavy-shaped washer) at one end actually is the most critical part of the rotating assembly. That spring puts an axial load on the bearings to ensure the balls don’t skid. All the thrust generated by the wet side pump is absorbed by your aquarium wall. Bearings need to be loaded, and the rotor by itself doesn’t really provide any appreciable load. So don’t lose your spring! If my dry sides don’t quiet down in a month or so, I’m going to drop a couple more spacers behind the spring to increase the axial load a bit more.
 
I missed this when it was first posted. I've done a couple older MP's and have ordered my bearing from Boca Bearing. Now the million dollar question......what were the letters / numbers on the bearings you used. It's my understanding that they are different then the older MP's. With the old MP's, just because you used a high ABEC (hardness), didn't mean it was the best for your application. With the older MP's the ceramic bearings ended up being slightly more noisy. I ended up using ABEC 5 (Stainless steel) (and believe the ceramic's were ABEC 8, if my feeble mind remembers.)
 
For my MP10s, for over 5 years now, I've used 2 different sizes based on my dryside needs, but regardless of size, I've found I get at least 4 years out of these specific bearings.
MR (size) 2GS PS2
So for example;
MR696-2GS PS2 = 6 x 15 x 5 mm https://www.bocabearings.com/products/mr696-2gs-ps2-3014
MR147-2GS PS2 = 7 x 14 x 5 mm https://www.bocabearings.com/products/mr147-2gs-ps2-3043

It can take some digging on their website, but they are there if you look for your required MP40 bearing sizes.
 
Be advised;
If you're not familiar with removing and replacing bearings, use your old bearings to press your new ones. Otherwise you risk ruining your purchase
 
I replace and work with bearings in my fishing reels. Just looking for right size for mp40qd. I have one that is louder than other wanted to give it a try
 
I just ordered a new mp40 qd from saltwateraquarium 366.00. This has me a little worried, is replacing the bearings a common thing because they go bad , or what is the reason for replacing? If they go bad does the manufacturer not have a warranty of some kind? Its already paid for and I'm excited hopefully I get a few years out if it hassle free before anything goes wonkey with it....
 
I just ordered a new mp40 qd from saltwateraquarium 366.00. This has me a little worried, is replacing the bearings a common thing because they go bad , or what is the reason for replacing? If they go bad does the manufacturer not have a warranty of some kind? Its already paid for and I'm excited hopefully I get a few years out if it hassle free before anything goes wonkey with it....
Not a concern with a new unit. And I've found the new QD MP10 units to be much better built, so I would expect a new 40 to be just as reliable.
I checked out the bearings inside a QD 10 and see they used larger ones over the initial ES style, plus the controller programming eases the wear.
I'm sure the 40 bearings are just as robust.
 
Now that time has passed, how are they bearing out?
Just cruising right along.
Since the initial bearing change, I’ve actually swapped out my entire system. Gone is the Deep Blue 70 and an IM-150 is in its place.

I agree that I could have gone with a non-ceramic bearing and probably had a slightly quieter pump. I am currently running a factory new MP40 along with my repaired MP40, and my repaired one is just a bit louder if there’s no other noise in the room. (I have a remote sump, so the only moving parts are the two MPs and the fans of 4 Kessils).

That said, I also went full Apex control on this new setup and I’m debating about selling the MPs and replacing them with something more Apex friendly. (Since the older MP40 would require a Mobius chip just to play nice with the newer MP40, and even then they won’t play nice with my shiny new Apex system).
 
So after shaking the Internet tree for all the info I could about replacing dry side bearings on my quiet drive MP40s, I realized there was some confusion regarding the bearings on the QD version of the MP40s.
So this post is to put that to rest.
They’re standard, cheaply made, skateboard bearings. Both of them. You can pick up an 8 pack at any skate shop. The ones that were originally in the pump were Chinese knockoffs of Japanese bearing manufacture Nippon Bearing. I wanted to see if I could get a little longer life (both my units started making noise after 2.5 years of <50% power), so I installed some semi-decent quality ceramic bearings; $85 for a set of eight from a local skate shop. (You can get decent bearings for a lot cheaper, or a lot more expensive. These fit the price point I was looking for). Factory Pre-lubed and sealed, with plastic cages. There’s a LOT of stupid marketing gimmicks around bearings in the skate industry. Just pick any major brand and you’ll certainly get good enough for this purpose. I wouldn’t even bother with ceramic, really. I was just curious about how they would perform.

I’ve had them running for about six days now. They’re actually ever so slightly louder than the old bearings were when new. Certainly due to the hardness of the ceramic balls, which should slowly polish the races over time. (My tank is extremely quiet, with a remote sump in the garage. The MPs are the only moving parts in the display room. You wouldn’t be able to hear them at all otherwise.) So I’m pleased. We shall see how the new bearings hold out.
Honestly, there’s almost no load on these bearings. The little spring (the wavy-shaped washer) at one end actually is the most critical part of the rotating assembly. That spring puts an axial load on the bearings to ensure the balls don’t skid. All the thrust generated by the wet side pump is absorbed by your aquarium wall. Bearings need to be loaded, and the rotor by itself doesn’t really provide any appreciable load. So don’t lose your spring! If my dry sides don’t quiet down in a month or so, I’m going to drop a couple more spacers behind the spring to increase the axial load a bit more.
What brand bearing?
Bone swiss ceramic?
Ive always been happy with bone REDS :)
Quiet, fast and a bit less. Last forever too.
 
What brand bearing?
Bone swiss ceramic?
Ive always been happy with bone REDS :)
Quiet, fast and a bit less. Last forever too.
I love bones reds too but i would try these for the mp40. Sealed and prelubed. These bearings are awesome.

Bronson Speed Co. G3 Bearings (Set of 8)
Woah bumped a year old thread replying to myself.....i think i deserve an award :p
 
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I love bones reds too but i would try these for the mp40. Sealed and prelubed. These bearings are awesome.

Bronson Speed Co. G3 Bearings (Set of 8)
Woah bumped a year old thread replying to myself.....i think i deserve an award :p
Planning on replacing the bearings on a qd mp40 soon, I know with the older version it needed two different sized bearings. Are the ones you link all I need to replace the qd mp40 ones?
 

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