Return pump from basement

[fernalfer]

I was thinking of putting sump and all equipment straight under the tank. I was going to do everything under the stand but think I may change my mind. I have a Dual Overflow 120 gallon tank. So first off was wondering if I should do 2 matching return pumps, one for each overflow? Or just do 1 pump and split it off to the upstairs?

Also it will be pumping 10ft straight up, any advice on a good pump that could do that with no issues?

 

[CC13]

I was thinking of putting sump and all equipment straight under the tank. I was going to do everything under the stand but think I may change my mind. I have a Dual Overflow 120 gallon tank. So first off was wondering if I should do 2 matching return pumps, one for each overflow? Or just do 1 pump and split it off to the upstairs?

Also it will be pumping 10ft straight up, any advice on a good pump that could do that with no issues?

I just use one pump... less chance for leak. I use Reeflo Hammerhead and its a beast. Running for over 2-years now with no issues. Get the Baldor motor with your pump if you buy a Reeflo.

 

[sbash]

I did something similar, see my build thread.

I used two pumps, thus having two return standpipes. Also having about 10' of head space, I used Mag 12 pumps, they are low cost and reliable, but a tad loud (good thing it's in the basement).

 

[fernalfer]

I just use one pump... less chance for leak. I use Reeflo Hammerhead and its a beast. Running for over 2-years now with no issues. Get the Baldor motor with your pump if you buy a Reeflo.

Do you have dual overflows too but chose to do one pump. Also can you control the flow with that pump isn't it pretty powerful

 

[CC13]

Do you have dual overflows too but chose to do one pump. Also can you control the flow with that pump isn't it pretty powerful

I have one overflow box but two actual drain lines from the overflow into the sump.

And yes you can control the flow. Install a gate valve after the return put outlet and you can dial the flow rate into the display tank.

 

[fernalfer]

I have one overflow box but two actual drain lines from the overflow into the sump.

And yes you can control the flow. Install a gate valve after the return put outlet and you can dial the flow rate into the display tank.

I'm not even sure where to start. When I had it set up before sump was under the tank with a Trigger Systems 36 sump and a submersible return pump. The reeflo is an external return pump.

 

[ZoWhat]

This is, by far, the best in the industry:

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/reeflo-barracuda-hammerhead-hybrid-6000-4590gph.html

 

[fernalfer]

This is, by far, the best in the industry:

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/reeflo-barracuda-hammerhead-hybrid-6000-4590gph.html

But it is external. I need a submersible return pump that can go in my sump

 

[ZoWhat]

But it is external. I need a submersible return pump that can go in my sump

If you plumb your sump to accept an external pump....you get 3x more life span out of the pump. Mines been in-service since 2012 and is quite as a mouse and just as powerful as the day I turned it on.

I'd look into getting expert local help from a LFS that does service-accounts to help you plumb an external pump in.

Externals are soooooooo much more reliable

 

[RUGDOG]

I ran the big external the last time I sumped in basement. They are great but energy hogs!
I just set up a new system and went with a Jebao 18000. I am running it at about 60% and using a third of the power. Probably could have done the 15000. These big newer ones really get good reviews.
Also it is dead silent. When I fired it up yesterday I did not know it was on until I ran upstairs and I was gushing.

 

[fernalfer]

If you plumb your sump to accept an external pump....you get 3x more life span out of the pump. Mines been in-service since 2012 and is quite as a mouse and just as powerful as the day I turned it on.

I'd look into getting expert local help from a LFS that does service-accounts to help you plumb an external pump in.

Externals are soooooooo much more reliable

I can plumb it that's not the issue but I'd have to get rid of my trigger system sump and buy something else. Don't think I want to drill into that pretty sump

 

[DCR]

A Mag 18 is probably going to be your best bet for an internal AC pump from reliability and performance at a reasonable cost. I would look for a pump that is capable of 600 gph at 14-15 ft of head for a 120 gal. On a DC pump, the larger Vectra's like the M1 and Jebao's have the head if you trust them. There seem to be questions about how well these actually perform in high head applications. Otherwise I think you are into something really expensive like an Abyzz for DC pumps.

 

[fernalfer]

A Mag 18 is probably going to be your best bet for an internal AC pump from reliability and performance at a reasonable cost. I would look for a pump that is capable of 600 gph at 14-15 ft of head for a 120 gal. On a DC pump, the larger Vectra's like the M1 and Jebao's have the head if you trust them. There seem to be questions about how well these actually perform in high head applications. Otherwise I think you are into something really expensive like an Abyzz for DC pumps.

What about these 2:

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/syncra-sdc-9-0-controllable-pump-1000-2500-gph-sicce.html

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/varios-8-controllable-dc-pump-2700-gph-reef-octopus.html

 

[DCR]

The head curve on the Sicce looks strong and should work for you. The Varios could work but the flow rate is really dropping off at your likely head requirements. I would be more uncomfortable with that pump just because the margin is much less.

 

[CC13]

This is, by far, the best in the industry:

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/reeflo-barracuda-hammerhead-hybrid-6000-4590gph.html

Yup. That’s the monster I use.

 

[SeaJay]

Yup. That’s the monster I use.

I’m about to do the same thing. I’m currently running two in sump sicce syncra 3.0. If I drop my sump into the basement and put one of these bad boys on there, how do I dial down the flow?

Also, is there an ideal location to drill the sump? I have an eshopps 300 sump and I’d like to add a refugium. Moving the pump out of the sump would make room to do that, but I’m not really sure how to plumb it.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I’ve got a 135 gal display with dual corner overflows.

 

[CC13]

I’m about to do the same thing. I’m currently running two in sump sicce syncra 3.0. If I drop my sump into the basement and put one of these bad boys on there, how do I dial down the flow?

Also, is there an ideal location to drill the sump? I have an eshopps 300 sump and I’d like to add a refugium. Moving the pump out of the sump would make room to do that, but I’m not really sure how to plumb it.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I’ve got a 135 gal display with dual corner overflows.

To be honest the hammerhead might be slightly overkill for a 135 gallon tank. I have a far larger display and my hammerhead runs the display tank, all my reactors, chiller and refugium and there is still tons of power left. From my return pump I have the system tee'd. One line goes to the display tank, and the other line goes to the reactors/chiller/water change station and I use gate valves to dial the flow down as needed.

I think I have some pictures for a guide on my home laptop from when I was building the system I can try and find them and post them in this thread tonight.

 

[SeaJay]

To be honest the hammerhead might be slightly overkill for a 135 gallon tank. I have a far larger display and my hammerhead runs the display tank, all my reactors, chiller and refugium and there is still tons of power left. From my return pump I have the system tee'd. One line goes to the display tank, and the other line goes to the reactors/chiller/water change station and I use gate valves to dial the flow down as needed.

I think I have some pictures for a guide on my home laptop from when I was building the system I can try and find them and post them in this thread tonight.

Which pump would you say would be better suited for my setup? Im running about 150 gal total water volume and will need to push about 10-12ft head from the basement to the display.

 

[ReeferMonkey]

Which pump would you say would be better suited for my setup? Im running about 150 gal total water volume and will need to push about 10-12ft head from the basement to the display.

mag 18 will work for you

 

[JGT]

I use the Sicce SDC 9 on my 240 in the basement with 2 overflows which is then broken out into 8 outputs with lock links. Been trouble free for several years.