Reusing rubs after acid bath

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hello everyone. So I am getting ready to do an acid bath on my Pukani rock. I was going to use my brute trash cans I bought to hold my RODI and say mixes later. Is that a good idea? Does it leave chemicals behind. I have a 54 gallon tote, but it doesn’t hold all of the rock. Thoughts? Thanks.
 
I would recommend doing the acid wash in multiple batches in the tote rather than the one you plan to use for your RODI. I don't know if anything will be left behind... but also don't know if the acid would do anything to the chemical makeup of the Rubbermaid container. Plus, ding multiple batches let's you prescribe how long it takes with pukani so you don't eat away too much of the rock's beauty. I have pukani and didn't acid wash it... but did cure it for 6 weeks prior to use. I did acid wash other types of rock and it eats away quite a bit of the rock!
 
That’s my biggest fear! I’ve gone back and forth a dozen times, and decided I would try it. I’ve had it soaking in 1/10 bleach water for almost 2 days. Now I’m worried, bc it is such pretty rock
 
I would recommend doing the acid wash in multiple batches in the tote rather than the one you plan to use for your RODI. I don't know if anything will be left behind... but also don't know if the acid would do anything to the chemical makeup of the Rubbermaid container. Plus, ding multiple batches let's you prescribe how long it takes with pukani so you don't eat away too much of the rock's beauty. I have pukani and didn't acid wash it... but did cure it for 6 weeks prior to use. I did acid wash other types of rock and it eats away quite a bit of the rock!

With just soaking, did you have phosphate issues?
 
With just soaking, did you have phosphate issues?

I thought about doing an acid wash as well, but after seeing how it ate away the other rock I acid washed, I decided to just cure it instead. During the 6 weeks of cure, I changed the water 100% about every other day for the first week or so...then did 75% water changes for the rest of the time about once a week...hence the reason I used freshwater and not saltwater (I wasn't concerned with building nitrifying bacteria at that time). It leached out quite a few phosphates...I put in a small bag of Phosguard during the cure to keep the phosphates from absorbing back into the rock. At about the 6 week period, the phosphates had leveled out and so I stopped the cure. I was so delayed on setting up my system, that I could have gone ahead and cycled the rock as well in the bin, lol. But, I knew I was going to let it all dry out again so I could play with different "dry" aquascaping ideas!

After my actual cycling of my aquarium, my phosphates were elevating a bit...around 0.20 with a Hanna phosphate checker. So, toward the end of my cycle, I put another small bag of phosguard in the sump just under my drain outlet. I changed this about once a week. The phosphates went down to around 0.06 and leveled off... But, then came the regular tank uglies once I turned on my DT lights...and that's when the green algae started to hit some. Well, those phosphates are down to zero now...which with that particular checker accuracy is around +/- 0.04. I also started some chaeto in my refug after the cycle...that helped to reduce the nutrients some.

I bet you are just fine with the bleaching you have already done! I would hesitate to acid wash the pukani...I think it will damage the beauty of this particular rock! If I were you...since you already bleached the rock, I would put the rock in a tote with "freshwater", heater (heat up to around 85 degrees), and a powerhead. Then, let it sit for about a week...then, test for ammonia and phosphates! If you get ammonia, then there were still some organics that needed to break down...which will probably be low enough that it would be good for your bacteria cycle eventually anyhow. If you are getting phosphates...measure how much and then repeat the testing several days later to see if it is stabilized or still elevating. Some use Lantham Chloride (I think that's correct) to control phosphates during a cure...I've never tried that...the Phosguard worked for me (and my LFS guy doped me into buying a big container of it, lol).
 
I did the acid bath on all my pukani. Maybe I diluted the acid more than Idoc but I had excellent results and didn't feel like I lost much rock in the process. There was a visible difference but it wasn't anything crazy. And doing the acid bath will reduce the cure time. I think it was a 20:1 dilution. I also did the bleach bath before the acid bath.
 
Yeah it’s sitting in the bleach water now. Is it ok to leave it there till Tuesday (it’s been in for 2 days already)? I was thinking of dropping down the acid to that exact ratio. So no one thinks it would affect my brute? I could trey the tote, but I put wheels on my brute and it would be much easier to move it in the brutes (I have 90+ lbs of rock). Thanks!
 
Yeah it’s sitting in the bleach water now. Is it ok to leave it there till Tuesday (it’s been in for 2 days already)? I was thinking of dropping down the acid to that exact ratio. So no one thinks it would affect my brute? I could trey the tote, but I put wheels on my brute and it would be much easier to move it in the brutes (I have 90+ lbs of rock). Thanks!

Not sure if I'm interpreting what you mean correctly, but don't attempt to move the totes after you have put in the acid. It is caustic and you don't want to take the chance of that splashing out. Place the bin where you can empty it when you are done. When finished, neutralize the bin with a large box of baking soda and then fill with water from a hose. At that point, it can be dumped down a drain. I did mine at the end of my driveway in the street so i could dump it in the road drain.
 
Not sure if I'm interpreting what you mean correctly, but don't attempt to move the totes after you have put in the acid. It is caustic and you don't want to take the chance of that splashing out. Place the bin where you can empty it when you are done. When finished, neutralize the bin with a large box of baking soda and then fill with water from a hose. At that point, it can be dumped down a drain. I did mine at the end of my driveway in the street so i could dump it in the road drain.
This, I did mine over an area of my backyard that is just dirt. Watch some videos of people doing the acid bath, you will put the rock into the container then pour in the water then pour in the acid. (Pouring water into acid can cause it to react and instantly boil spraying it everywhere) It will start reacting and foaming up. Once the foaming stops you add the baking soda to neutralize the acid and make it safe to pour down the drain or run off into the gutter. It has the potential to discolor concrete and other surfaces so be aware of that. I don't know if it would at a 20:1 dilution though. Be sure to use chemical resistant gloves, eye protection and a respirator. Obviously you don't want this caustic acid in your eyes or on your skin and the fumes are a danger as well.
 
No I had not planned to move it with acid in it. I meant to move it where it would be good to do acid bath would be a lot easier with rolling brutes. It’s fine, I’m just going to move the tote and extra 5 gallon bucket (to hold the extra small rocks that won’t fit in the tote). I will do it there, then rinse and move them to soak in rodi down in my basement.
 
No I had not planned to move it with acid in it. I meant to move it where it would be good to do acid bath would be a lot easier with rolling brutes. It’s fine, I’m just going to move the tote and extra 5 gallon bucket (to hold the extra small rocks that won’t fit in the tote). I will do it there, then rinse and move them to soak in rodi down in my basement.
Please make sure you have the proper protective equipment. Long rubber gloves, especially as you'll be using rather tall brute trash cans, and eye protection are a minimum. If you can source proper breathing protection I'd recommend it. I always had a good wind when I did the acid bath which was nice, makes it easier to stay up wind.

I was quite happy with the results of my acid bath. Time varied between 15-30 minutes depending on the rock.
 

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