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Need some help being pointed in the right direction. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a 14g reeftank and possible looking to upgrade to a 30-50g. Any suggestions on what I do or dnt need would be awesome and some of your guys and gals set ups as well. Thank u again r2r and merry new year!
 
check the RO/DI systems at BRS. If you have any questions they're great about giving good advise.
 
www.spectrapure.com They don't come any better and there really is difference. No other vendor specially treats and tests their RO membranes to increase their efficieny or custom blends all their own DI resins in house so you get only the best.

Others you may want to consider are www.buckeyefieldsupply and www.purelyh2o.com . Look for a low micron sdeiment fiter 1 micron or less, a single 1 micron or less extruded carbon block, a 75 GPD high rejection rate RO membrane and a full size vertical DI at a minimum. Other things that are worthwhile are an inline pressure gauge, a capillary tube flow restrictor so you can fine tune your waste ratio and a handheld TDS meter. Things that don't really add value are dual carbons, flush kits and high micron filters.
 
Ok thanks that's a huge help! Azdesertrat, after doing some reading It seems you are the water dude? I'm i right? But thanks I'll check it out later when I get off of work;)
 
So I looked at a lot of them last night. Is there a difference between a four and five stage? At spectra pure what would u recommend me grabbing for my size of water. I'm only looking to produce abt 5g a week. The ones at brs seem to be in my price range but I understand that water quality is key to having a successful tank and if I have to spend more now I understand rather then in the future. Thanks
 
A BIG +1 on former BFS (buckeye field supply) is now know for Buckeye Hydro, Russ will answer all your questions if you send him a email.

Buckeye Hydro
 
Don't worry about how many stages there are, this is an old ebay trick to make a low end drinking water system with a couple extra cheap filters tacked on sound like the best thing since sliced bread. Worry about the quality of each stage and understand the fewer good stages the better the system will perform, everything you add in front of the membrane has an associated headloss meaning the membrane is less efficient.

Spectrapure has a sale on factory refurbished 4 stage systems that are an excellent reef quality system. They include 1 micron near absolute rated sediment filters, a 1 micron 12000 gallon carbon block, a specially treated and batch tested high rejection rate 90 GPD RO membrane and a full size 20 oz vertical refilable DI filled with their own fresh custom blended SilicaBuster DI resin. They also include a hose thread adapter and an inline pressure gauge. The only thing I would add is a handheld TDS meter for an additional $25. Don't let the refurbished name scare you, these are new systems with all new filters, membranes and resin. The housing or bracket may have a scuff or scratch is all and does not affect their performance.

Others use coarse 5 micron sediment filters, often 5 or 10 micron carbon blocks only good for around 6000 to 9000 gallons, dry untreated and untested off the shelf RO membranes which are less efficient so DI does not last as long and prepackaged bulk DI resin which again does not work as well nor last as long. It all adds up to costing you more in replacements over time. Did you know you can see 40 microns with the unaided human eye? 5 or 10 microns is about as effective as a screen door compared to 0.5 or 1 microns. There really is a difference and Spectraure's almost 30 years in business, and the reef hobby specifically really pay off. They reject more membranes and DI resin in a year than most others combined sell. Their quality control is very strict.

You might also look at Spectrapure systems at places like Marine Depot and Premium Aquatics and save on shipping costs versus directly from Spectrapure.

You cannot go wrong with Buckeye either. Take a look at his BFS-161 Premium system which includes things like a handheld TDS meter and a DI bypass valve so you can fluh TDS creep to waste or make RO only water for drinking and cooking.
 
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Wow! Awesome some of that I did not no. I'll take a look at the refurbished ones. Spectra pure seems like the way to go. Thanks so much.
 
I am a BRS guy all the way. I would not spend the extra money on spectra.

One thing no one has mentioned is chloramines. Check with your local water department. If they use them in your water I would very very highly recommend getting a unit designed to remove them. Essentially, they use different carbons to remove the chloramines, which act like ammonia in your water if not removed.
 
That is not true. What BRS and others do not tell you is that a good 1 micron or less carbon block is more than cabale of removing the chlorine portion of chloramines. It is the ammonia that is the killer and carbon does not remove that. The carbon removes the chlorine and breaks the bond with the ammonia so your membrane removes what it can and the most important piece, the DI filter, poishes off the rest.
Yes you can buy catalytic carbons but they are in no way necessary and are an additional expense driving the cst of ownership up. You must also realize, when you add any granular carbon product like catalytic "chloramine" carbon, it pulverizes or turns to dust with use so should be followed by an additional low micron sediment filter to trap thse fines or dust so it does not foul the membrane. There are many things less knowedgable vendors negect to tell you.
 
What does the automatic or manual flush mean on the spectrapure systems? Does it just push the water out that has been sitting in the canisters between usage?
 
I'm down to this one,CSPDI 2:1 Manual Flush 60-GPD RO/DI System. U think that is a good choice?
 
First you need to know if your water is soft or if you have a water softener to make it so then its nice to know your approximate tap water TDS for your area. I would not recommend a reduced waste ratio such as 2:1 unless you have naturally soft or softened water and lower than normal TDS. If you use a 2:1 waste ratio on hard water and/or high TDS water the membrane will foul and fail prematurely. I would stick to their normal 4:1 ratio system if you do not know your water conditions.

If you think or know you have soft water, the Spectrapure 2:1 system comes with a test kit to see what it is and two restritors or at least one which can be trimmed to 3:1 waste or in rare cases 2:1 waste. For the money I would stick with the manual flush if you are going to lower the waste to 3:1 or 2:1 and no flush kit if you are staying with 4:1 which is the normal scenario.

I would always recommend the 90 GPD RO membrane over any other. It will make the same treated water quality but 50% faster than the 60 GPD so less waiting around monitoring the bucket or having the faucet tied up. There are absolutely no advantages to the 60 vs the 90. Either way, as long as you use the system every 10-14 days it will last a long long time.
 
Thanks it's kinda confusing to tell u the truth. U wana pick one out for me?! Lol.
 
I think the refurbished 90GPD systems are about impossible to beat. The ony thing to add is a handheld TDS meter. Premium Aquatics and Marine Depot may have the non-refurbished version for $199 which is $70 more but free shipping. I have not heard any complaints about the refurb so I would get it for $130, the TDS meter for $25 and including shipping that should still be slightly less than the other ones without a meter. I have not looked at PA and MD lately so not sure what they are offering or at what prices, I do know when Spectrapure themselves do not have something on special or sale its usually cheaper to go with one of their vendors like that.
 
Ok,thank you so much for your help, I appreciate you answering all my questions! I'll keep u posted on what I decide to grab. Thanks and have a good new year!
 
Glad to help. Whatever you end up with will certainly be better than tap water or purchased water you have no control over. All should give you 0 TDS water, the difference is some will deliver more 0 TDS water than others and then some will have filters, membranes and resin that last even longer so the cost of ownership ends up being much less. Shop wisely and stay with a trusted vendor or manufacturer who has a proven track record.
 

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