RO Membrane Testing

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So I am in the process of making an order from Spectrapure for new carbon block filters, sediment filters, and DI cartridges. I think I know exactly what I need for filters as I am going to be sourcing there instead of BRS this time. I have the BRS 75GPD system with 1 sediment filter, 2 carbon filters, and the RO. Attached is a MaxCap DI from Spectrpure.

First, which filters from Spectrapure should I go with for this system?

Second, I don't know if my RO membrane is working so well anymore. I know the rejection ratio can be tested with the TDS meter, but when is the best time to test? Should I test after it has been running for awhile or right away? My water is chilly so will that skew the readings for accuracy?
 
Test TDS after the filters but before the membrane. Then test TDS coming out of membrane but before the DI.
Membranes are rated at 96-98% efficiency.

The number coming out of the membrane should be 2-4% of what's going in.

Any higher and it's time to replace the membrane.
 
OK, so I'll have to move my TDS meters as I have it directly before the system to test incoming water and right after the RO membrane. I have another on the maxcap dual DI system. I think I have another TDS meter in the garage... Time to hook that one up if I can find it. Does anyone make a 4 or 6 point TDS meter so I can just have one meter instead of 3?

Which filters from spectrapure would be recommended for my application?

Can I upgrade to a 90 or 100 GPD membrane if I am replacing it anyway? I may have to hook up the booster pump if I do that, but I have it anyway.
 
Hook up the inline before and after the membrane, and just use a handheld for after DI.
Use pressure gauge for prefilters. Note reading with new filters. Once it starts to drop that's when u replace filters.

You can Use a higher gpd membrane, but u have to change the flow restricter.
 
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OK I have something wrong then. I have my pressure guage before the prefilters... I am guessing this should be before the RO but AFTER the prefilters... Does it hurt to have two pressure guages on the system?
Here is my idea on filters to order... Critique as needed, comments below.

1 x 0.5uM MicroTec™ Sediment Filter
2 x 0.5uM Deluxe (20K ppm-Gal) Carbon Block Filter
1 x SuperDI™ MaxCap® & SilicaBuster™ Cartridges! (I think I burnt them both when my wife left the RODI running all night and flooded the laundry room :( )

Should I do 2 carbon filters or run a single carbon with dual sediment filters? I have a high rust content so I burn through sediment filters quickly. Maybe running a 1 micron then a .2 micron would be better than the .5 alone...

If needed:
SpectraSelect™ 90gpd 12-in Tested RO Membrane With Matching Flow Rectrictor

I will move the TDS meter and check the membrane this weekend.
 
Yea move the gauge to after filter, before RO. I have a spectra pure unit and if u call them they will recommended filters. They have great cust service.
Although expensive.
My opinion would be to stay with the 75 gpd as its the most common membrane.
 
I agree with MGD75's statements. Spectrapure is the best in the Business when it comes to water filtration. That is pretty much all they deal with. I don't think that 75 vs 90 gal is a difference in price with spectrapure.
 
Not sure on the cost but the spectra pure site says that the 90 is a specially selected 75 that provided 90.
 
To test the rejection rate of a RO membrane you need to test the tap water TDS and the RO only TDS. Let the system run several minutes to clear the TDS creep the get your readings. I much prefer a good handheld meter as the dual inlines are ballpark accurate since they are not truly temperature compensated, plsu they are limited to two places unlike the handheld that can test anywhere.

Take the tap TDS, subtract the RO only TDS, divide that number by the tap TDS then multiply by 100. Example: Say you have a tap TDS of 250 and RO only TDS of 10. 250-10=240, 240/250=.96, .96x100= 96% rejection rate or removal efficiency. 96% is borderline acceptable depending on your TDS since for every 2% you can increase the rejection rate you DOUBLE the life of your DI resin. Spectrapure membranes are better than 98% rejection due to the treatment they receive then the quality control testing they go through unlike normal off the shelf dry untested membranes.

If you have more than one dual inline TDS meter then you want the IN probe of the first meter either on the incoming tap water or after the carbon block, it really does not matter since the sediment and carbon have little to no effect on TDS, they remove suspended solids and chlorine only. The OUT probe then should be after the RO membrane so you can do the above test. The second inline meter should have the IN probe after the MaxCap DI and the OUT probe after the SilicaBuster DI so you can monitor both DI cartridges conditions seperately. You should go through about three MaxCap cartridges before you start to see any evidence of TDS after the SilicaBuster DI and replace it the first time.

What I have done on my MaxCap UHE system is place a John Guest tee and ball valve with a short piece of 1/4" tubing after the carbon block, after the membrane and after the MaxCap cartridge so I can draw samples and test the TDS with my handheld TDS meter for greater accuracy. It never agrees with the inline meters so I rarely even turn them on anymore except as a quick litmus paper type ballpark test.

If you are replacing filters you will want the 0.5 micron absolute rated sediment filter, the 0.5 micron carbon block, a 90 GPD SpectraSelect series hand tested membrane with matched capillary tube flow restrictor and if you need DI possibly a MaxCap and a SilicaBuster or the new Super series replacements for a couple $$ more. I would not order DI replacements if you do not expect to need them soon as they have a shelf life like all DI does.

The 90 GPD starts life as a Dow Filmtec 75 but they treat it with a special proprietary process to improve both its GPD and its rejection rate then package it wet in a special mylar foil bag. The regular 90 is then batch tested for quality control but the Select series for only $5 more is individually 100% hand tested, the results are written on the membrane as well as the testers initials and it is guaranteed in writing to be better than 98% rejection rate. My personal Select membrane is still producing 99.43% rejection rate after 4 years of usage and thats with a tap TDS over 600.
 
AZ Thanks for the detailed responses. I really like the idea of JG Ts and valves for testing. That's a really good idea and will be on mine after the weekend.

I know I have a high rust content in the water and generally destroy sediment filters quickly. Since I have 3 places for carbon/sediment should I fill them all with filters of some sorts? I could use a slightly larger sediment filter to trap all that rust in the first chamber and a better one in the second. Or I could use two carbons. If I don't fill them all should I leave the one housing empty or remove it from the system?

I do have a handheld TDS meter so I'll go ahead and test with that. I didn't know temp would make a difference on TDS readings. Thanks for that tip as well.
 
Every degree C difference between air and water temps can mean about a 2% difference in the TDS reading.

Keep in mind, every filter you place in front of the membrane has an associated headloss reducing the membranes removal efficiency. I keep the filters to a minimum with one good sediment and one good carbon but you could add a cheap throw away sediment filter up front and replace it often. If I did that maybe I would add a pressure gauge on either side of the first filter to monitor headloss so you don't rob the membrane. They also make washable and reusable sediment prefilters.
Another option is this Micropleat prefilter found at the bottom here:
SEDIMENT FILTERS
At $79 it includes the gauges, a housing and fittings and the filter and its washable.
 

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