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Hi,

Im about to start up a new system. Had my previous one for about 5 years. But im upgrading my tank from a Redsea to a new CADE.

I am skeptical about using my existing live rock. Reason being is the Redsea failed due to borers. I have all my rock still in sump with my fish and whats left of my coral. Running off another small display tank. (bloody nightmare)


My LFS has suggested to start with dry rock. Back when i started 5 years ago dry rock was not the way to go. Form what I was told then... Are people doing it now?
 
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Never heard of a live rock worm that will bore through tank silicone causing a leak. Has to be extremely rare, or was the leak caused by other reasons?
 
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JasonCADE1500p said:
Hi,

Im about to start up a new system. Had my previous one for about 5 years. But im upgrading my tank from a Redsea to a new CADE.

I am skeptical about using my existing live rock. Reason being is the Redsea failed due to borers. I have all my rock still in sump with my fish and whats left of my coral. Running off another small display tank. (bloody nightmare)


My LFS has suggested to start with dry rock. Back when i started 5 years ago dry rock was not the way to go. Form what I was told then... Are people doing it now?
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Sounds like a redsea excuse for a defective tank. That's a good one though! Lol
 
I used dry rock and it was just fine. But I also did a bunch of stuff like pns bacteria, Aqua forest life source, and added a few pieces of wild collected coral to offset not having used live rock. If I had it to do over I’d use live. My main reason for not was fear of hitchhikers, but they came w/the corals anyway — mostly good that I e seen so far, except for a small Eunice worm.
 
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It does appear to be something that has dug through. My back wall glass to floor joint. There is a small tunnel.
I'm super paranoid about having it happening again.

I decided to not continue with the tank. Not because I don't think its fixable. (its a very slow drip.) But because I really wanted a CADE from day one. But it wasn't available. I figure now is the time to upgrade while I'm starting again....

A very very similar example here:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/i...bore-******-through-the-silicone-seal.382557/

They mention in this above link that it could have been something come from the outside. However I dont believe that is the case. I can see chew marks at the burrow on the inside of my Redsea tank.

I have had my two LFS confirm it can happen. But yet I find bugger all on the net!

I did wonder if it was a manufacturing fault. Air in the silicone when it was made. But I can not prove that.
 
Admittedly, my first instinct was something like ants too, but doing a little research, there might be something to the whole worm in the tank thing (the link has a video and picture, but you have to log in to view the picture):
www.ultimatereef.net

Bristle Worm Eating Through My Aquarium Silicone Seals

Discovered a leak on my aquarium today. Had a look and found a small hole that looked like a burrow through the front glass silicon seal. At first, I thought I may have damaged it due to moving and levelling the aquarium last week. I suddenly noticed an increase in water flow from a few drips...
www.ultimatereef.net www.ultimatereef.net
The worm in the video is tiny, but if you watch the line seemingly in the glass, you'll notice it move a little before the water starts spurting out.

Not saying it's confirmed that it's a worm, but it seems it could be a possibility.
 
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I suggest getting some new live rock. @LiverockRocks has some good aquacultured stuff on their website, and so does KP Aquatics. Dry rock is still not the way to go for 85% of hobbyists, although the dry rock sellers would say otherwise. I have never heard of those worms, but I'd imagine that a Halichoeres wrasse would make short work of them.
 
JasonCADE1500p said:
Hi,

Im about to start up a new system. Had my previous one for about 5 years. But im upgrading my tank from a Redsea to a new CADE.

I am skeptical about using my existing live rock. Reason being is the Redsea failed due to borers. I have all my rock still in sump with my fish and whats left of my coral. Running off another small display tank. (bloody nightmare)


My LFS has suggested to start with dry rock. Back when i started 5 years ago dry rock was not the way to go. Form what I was told then... Are people doing it now?
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Sounds like a defect during the tank construction. The presence of any animal is probably a coincidence, e.g., something crawled into the existing defect. I would reuse the old rock.
 
I used Carib sea life rock.
It comes dry, but looks mature.
Cycles up nice and looks great from day one.
Bit expensive though.
No chance of Hitchers…
 
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Dry Rock becomes live as you add snails, corals, etc. True live rock (not the pest concentrated stuff in the tanks at an lfs) can be fun if you are interested in all the critters. However, I personally like to have strict control over what enters my tank
 
ISpeakForTheSeas said:
Admittedly, my first instinct was something like ants too, but doing a little research, there might be something to the whole worm in the tank thing (the link has a video and picture, but you have to log in to view the picture):
www.ultimatereef.net

Bristle Worm Eating Through My Aquarium Silicone Seals

Discovered a leak on my aquarium today. Had a look and found a small hole that looked like a burrow through the front glass silicon seal. At first, I thought I may have damaged it due to moving and levelling the aquarium last week. I suddenly noticed an increase in water flow from a few drips...
www.ultimatereef.net www.ultimatereef.net
The worm in the video is tiny, but if you watch the line seemingly in the glass, you'll notice it move a little before the water starts spurting out.

Not saying it's confirmed that it's a worm, but it seems it could be a possibility.
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Through all my searching I had not seen that vid! But it appears to be identical to my issue I had.

This is the reason I do not want to use my existing rock. Which is a shame as I have plenty of nice rock I like. But there could be more of these in my rock..

This is why I guess I'm considering the dry rock path. We did also have teddy bear crab issues. Little buggers! I thought I had caught them all when we tore down the 6ft Redsea tank. But when we transferred all the rock to the new temp tank and down into our sump we gave the rock a quick wash in some tank water. We managed to pull out 3 more of them! They ate all our snails they could get near! Including about 50 zombi snails. They were so hard to catch!

So I have had two big issues with hitchhikers on my "live rock"

Im based in Australia. So some of the above mentioned live rock suppliers are not suitable for me.

I guess I need to keep researching and thinking....
 
This is at the very least exceedingly rare if it's actually real. This is the first I've heard of anything like this and I started when nobody was even using dry rock. If this happens to you twice in a row (again I am not sure how legit this is) you should probably go play the lottery or penny stocks or something. You've got some strange probability magic around you.
 
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damsels are not mean said:
This is at the very least exceedingly rare if it's actually real. This is the first I've heard of anything like this and I started when nobody was even using dry rock. If this happens to you twice in a row (again I am not sure how legit this is) you should probably go play the lottery or penny stocks or something. You've got some strange probability magic around you.
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ahaha! I would need to win lotto so I can spend another 6k on a new tank yet again.....!
 
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