RODI filters and membranes

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I've been having issues with hair algae and have narrowed it down to teaching phosphorus and bad ro water. I finally went out and bought a TDS meter to test the water. Input reads 481ppm and output reads 17ppm. I uqve the 50gpd Coralife unit. My question is, can I use any size matching membrane and can I up it to a 75gpd?

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Yes as long as you have good pressure. I recommend a Dow Filmtec membrane.

Also, it appears that you either run no DI resin or have exhausted your current DI resin.

TDS on the finish product should be 0ppm

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Thanks scooter. The di resin is definitely depleted. How much pressure is enough/too much? I have the unit hooked up to a faucet.

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Thanks scooter. The di resin is definitely depleted. How much pressure is enough/too much? I have the unit hooked up to a faucet.

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Well, you will need a pressure gauge.

My house pressure is 60-65psi on a Spectra Pure 4 stage 75gpd. Which is great but I have a booster pump that I got when the old place I had a psi of 40.

So with the house pressure and the pump I get around 70-80psi (which is high and not recommend by the manufacturer). I get 1ppm out of the membrane (Dow filmtec 75gpd) on the high pressure and 0 from the DI resin.

When it was 40psi, it would be 8-9 ppm.

My tds coming out the tap is about what you have btw

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Thanks again. Looks like I have a new project for the weekend.

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What is your tap water TDS, RO only TDS before the DI and final RO/DI TDS? You need all three of those numbers to know if the membrane is bad. I run my Spectrapure 90 GPD membrane at 95-100 psi, my tap TDS is 630, RO only is between 2 and 3 of course the RO/DI TDS is 0 and I am getting about 150 GPD at that pressure. Booster pumps definitely help.
 
What is your tap water TDS, RO only TDS before the DI and final RO/DI TDS? You need all three of those numbers to know if the membrane is bad. I run my Spectrapure 90 GPD membrane at 95-100 psi, my tap TDS is 630, RO only is between 2 and 3 of course the RO/DI TDS is 0 and I am getting about 150 GPD at that pressure. Booster pumps definitely help.

Things just got interesting. I picked up a Spectrapure 90gpd membrane and new DI yesterday. After running through about 20g last night, my readings this morning are as follows; tap at 461, RO at 24 and after the DI is at 50ppm. Yes 50ppm! Just my luck! I picked up a water pressure guage from HD and it's reading 82psi. Now I thought Spectrapure recommends running it at 60psi. Do I not have enough pressure and what is going on between the RO and DI?
 
That's minimum pressure at 60psi. I'm running mine at 90psi on a 90gpd maxcap and getting 120gpd. Ill be boosting pressure up I think soon to 95psi and see how it does


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Ok so I have plenty of pressure and my resin and membrane are both new. Why isn't it working?

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Did you waste the first 3-5 gallons of RO water before installing the DI cartridge? What are you testing with and how?
What DI cartridge did you buy? Did you buy iy directly from Spectrapure and was it still vacuum sealed in its mylar foil bag for freshness?
How much water did you run through the DI before testing the TDS? Resins are packed in a solution to keep them fresh and roughly 2-3 bed volumes need to be rinsed out before usage.
 
I bought the di cartridge from one of the shops near my house and I watched him fill the cartridge from the bag. I did waste almost 10g of the water but did so after connecting the di cartridge. I am testing with a handheld HM TDS/EC meter.

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So you didn't buy a DI cartridge prefilled from Spectrapure?
What was in the bag? Was it a large bulk refills size or individual size? Was it a sealed mylar foil bag or was it previoulsy opened and what resin was it specifically, they have many to choose from.
I choose to buy my membranes and DI directly from Spectrapure for freshness, I don't wan tanything that has been on a shelf and is who knows how old. Resin has a short shelf life even when factory vacuum sealed and kept in the refrigerator. I know when I buy from them its usually blended and packaged fresh that day as their stuff is built to order daily.
The type of resin is important too as resins like their MaxCap are not designed or intended to work by itself, it is always followed by a second DI, usually the SilicaBuster blend. The MaxCap comes in two packages too as it is a blend and needs to be packed correctly.

There are many variables with DI, resin blend, age, was it stored properly so it was out of temperature extremes and bright direct lighting, was it still damp in its original solution etc. I only buy one at a time today, I used to buy bulk resins but they went bad before I could use them up.

How are you using the TDS meter? Are you using a squeaky clean drinking water glass and drawing water directly from the RO membrane and the DI outlet or from a storage container or ATO? Do you triple rinse the TDS meter and glass with RO/DI or distilled water between each sample and after the last use then cap the meter so it stays clean for next time? Have you checked its calibration or at least tested some distilled water to see if it registers 0 or very near it? Just throwing out some ideas and suggestions here.
 
No, we refilled my cartridge from a bulk refill. It was from a sealed mylar bag that was open. The resin was still still damp in what I assume was the origanal solution. Not too sure if it was kept refrigerated. I will look into ordering some direct and see where this goes.

I have been reading through some of your other post to keep you from having to repeat yourself. I use a clean glass, hand washed in hot water. My test are directly from each outlet and my TDS meter is kept clean and capped as well. I'm headed to the store to buy a gallon of distilled water and see what my meter says. It is brand new and supposed to be factory calibrated.

Thank you for your ideas and suggestions. In the mean time, it looks like I'll be lugging jugs around until I find a solution.
 
Just a thought... When packing the resin if its not done correctly (meaning: making a nice tight pack) it won't work
Properly.

Also make sure you are using cold water only out if the Faucet. Hot water will burn up your membrane.
 
I always use cold water. I picked up a new DI resin cartridge today. If things don't start to improve I'm seriously debating purchasing a new unit altogether. I'm flat out annoyed with this thing right now.

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