Royal Gramma Possibly dying

LagunaGlide · Mar 20, 2018

I brought home a Royal Gramma last night. The LFS double bagged it, and it got stuck in the bag when trying to remove. Seems to swim ok, but not sure if injured. Temp is good at 78, Salinity matched LFS at 1.021. Sponge air filter in 10gal with PVC for plans to TTM. No ammonia this morning. I find it laying on the bottom like it's dead. It swam around in a panic for a bit while I was testing for ammonia, and then it laid down and stopped moving all together. I am expecting it to be dead by this afternoon. It has been at the LFS since Feb 22. Thoughts, suggestions?

Crabs McJones · Mar 20, 2018

LagunaGlide said:
I brought home a Royal Gramma last night. The LFS double bagged it, and it got stuck in the bag when trying to remove. Seems to swim ok, but not sure if injured. Temp is good at 78, Salinity matched LFS at 1.021. Sponge air filter in 10gal with PVC for plans to TTM. No ammonia this morning. I find it laying on the bottom like it's dead. It swam around in a panic for a bit while I was testing for ammonia, and then it laid down and stopped moving all together. I am expecting it to be dead by this afternoon. It has been at the LFS since Feb 22. Thoughts, suggestions?

No ammonia, but what about the rest of your levels? Could just be stressed. Is it breathing fast or normal when it's laying on the bottom?

LagunaGlide · Mar 20, 2018

crabs_mcjones said:
No ammonia, but what about the rest of your levels? Could just be stressed. Is it breathing fast or normal when it's laying on the bottom?

I gave the levels that matter for TTM QT. The basics are there. It doesn't appear to be breathing at all when it does this.

Brew12 · Mar 20, 2018

LagunaGlide said:
I gave the levels that matter for TTM QT. The basics are there. It doesn't appear to be breathing at all when it does this.

It seems to have some symptoms of osmotic shock. How confident are you in both your salinity and the salinity of your LFS?

An injury is possible unfortunately, depending on how much time it spent out of water or what you needed to do to get it unstuck.

Dom · Mar 20, 2018

crabs_mcjones said:
No ammonia, but what about the rest of your levels? Could just be stressed. Is it breathing fast or normal when it's laying on the bottom?

+1 on stress. Fingers crossed that it is.

LagunaGlide · Mar 20, 2018

Brew12 said:
It seems to have some symptoms of osmotic shock. How confident are you in both your salinity and the salinity of your LFS?

An injury is possible unfortunately, depending on how much time it spent out of water or what you needed to do to get it unstuck.

Tested the LFS water myself, and then matched my water to it using a refractometer. Was only out of water for like 30 seconds. Wasn't that long honestly. Was flopping around in the bag.

Brew12 · Mar 20, 2018

LagunaGlide said:
Tested the LFS water myself, and then matched my water to it using a refractometer.

Definitely the best way to do it. At least that can be positively ruled out.

I just wish I had some advice to offer, without more in the way of symptoms I don't have anything I can recommend.

LagunaGlide · Mar 20, 2018

Well he is still kicking. "hiding" in the same spot he was in when I left. Should I bother trying to feed him, or wait until it comes out on it's own?

pscheel2 · Mar 20, 2018

Royal Grammas are known to play dead when stressed and they also hide a lot. Give it time and hopefully it will be ok.

LagunaGlide · Mar 21, 2018

Ate a few pieces of mysis this morning and was swimming about a bit. Noticed some white stringy poop, so will be treating and moving onward. Thanks for the replies all