Ruined? Only if you let it be.

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I talk to a lot of hobbyists who sometimes lose their way in this game we call "reef keeping."

This is ground we've covered before in one form or another, but it bears repeating periodically, because- well- because there is a lot of negativity out there. A lot of arrogance and, well- ignorance, too.

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What precipitated today's little rant is a conversation I had with a reefer who attempted to list some corals on one of those Facebook "auction" groups and was slammed into sumbission by some trend-mongering %^&*&*&s (insert your favorite expletive) who basically told her that the corals she listed were not the "real_______" , when in fact, they were actually good-sized frags of this (insert stupid coral name here) at a fair price, from a large colony that she maintained for years. These "reefers" simply would not accept the fact that she was selling realistic-sized frags of a certain coveted coral at a fair price that most of these knuckleheads sell as photoshopped, freshly-glued microchips for heart-stopping prices. They told her that her "imposter coral" was going to "ruin the market" (you kidding me?) and that she should stop listing on this particular group because she'd "tick off" (again, insert favorite colloquialism here) a lot of other "vendors" (don't start me on that definition).

That put her in a bad place. She fell into a bad place because she had the "audacity" to disrupt the viral absurdity out there by doing something cool, and was threatened, smashed, and flogged for it.

Negativity. Perpetuated by people who are scared.

It's one of many reasons why reefers stop enjoying the hobby.

Reefers begin to stop enjoying the hobby because they fall into this negative vibe that's out there.

They stop enjoying the hobby, feel bad about their failures, or even what they feel is the insignificance of their successes..and then things get...ruined.

Things get ruined for a lot of reasons.

Things get ruined when we allow others to dictate how we feel. When we let them get inside our head. When their values, style, opinion overshadows our own. Things get ruined when we lose our focus.

Things get ruined when we are not ourselves. When we don’t follow our dreams, our intuition…that little voice inside that says, “Don’t get that coral!”

They get ruined when we get caught up in a negative discussion on a forum...where we get nasty response from a so-called "expert" who thinks that our idea is wrong simply "because."

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Things get ruined when we compare our reefs, our corals, our hobby accomplishments to others, and feel somehow that we're "not one of the cool kids" because we don't have that "LE coral" or trendy piece of gear...or whatever.


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Things get ruined when we lose our way, deviate significantly from our plan, especially when it was working, starting to work, or showed great promise of working. Things get ruined when we give up too soon.

Things get ruined when we do too many things; when we don’t keep it simple. When we build in needless layers of complexity and procedure, which "burn us out" on what made us love reefing in the first place. And of course, things get ruined when we don’t follow our own procedures…or worse, when we follow the procedures laid out by others which don’t really work for our system.

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Things get ruined when we blame ourselves for everything that goes wrong in our systems. Sometimes, things just go south because we’re dealing with living creatures and a whole lot of variables.

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On the other hand, things get ruined when we are arrogant, selfish, and carry ourselves with an air of hubris, demeaning to others and their efforts and accomplishments simply because we can’t feel good about ourselves.

Don’t be that hobbyist.

Things get ruined because we’re always looking for the next big thing. The shortcut. The sage advice. Things get ruined because we think everyone else has it all figured out and that we need to do it the same way, just because.

Things get ruined because we're afraid to speak our mind when we know we are right, and that others could benefit from hearing our view, or seeing what we can bring to the table.

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Most important, things get ruined because we lose our passion- our motivation, our love for the whole thing…The very force that drove us into this hobby to begin with. Without passion, all you have is an expensive, soulless, imitative pile of equipment and life, aggregated together with audacity, for the purpose of pleasing…whom?

Things to ponder when you hit a rough spot in the hobby…or in life, I suppose.

Don’t let “them” tell you what’s cool. Don’t let others dictate how you feel about your hobby. Don’t overcomplicate stuff. Don’t beat yourself up when stuff goes wrong.

Don’t lose your passion. Ever.

And…

Stay Wet

Scott Fellman
 
Great right up. One of the things that drew me into this forum and hobby in general was how willing most people are to help out and give advice. Unlike some other hobbies this doesn't feel like a competition to see who can do it the best. There are lots of ways to keep a successful tank and that is part of the fun as well. However the downside is that a lot of our interaction is online and unfortunately negativity, rudeness, and just general hatefulness seem to never be in short supply on the Internet.
 
Great right up. One of the things that drew me into this forum and hobby in general was how willing most people are to help out and give advice. Unlike some other hobbies this doesn't feel like a competition to see who can do it the best. There are lots of ways to keep a successful tank and that is part of the fun as well. However the downside is that a lot of our interaction is online and unfortunately negativity, rudeness, and just general hatefulness seem to never be in short supply on the Internet.
And the funny thing is, it even might be perceived as being a bit "negative" for bringing up this "negative" sort of topic...LOL:eek:
 
Good piece there Scott! Love reading this and glad it is out there. I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion here. This is why I have moved away from the Facebook reef places and certain other forums where many of the members get on some high horse and berate others when their methods or purchased done line up with the "in-thing" or in-crowd. After 18 years or so in this hobby I have seen so much come and go. many of the old school methods still seem to work for me even with the application of some newer technologies. Simple reefs to me look and do best. Is mine complicated? not really. Tank, sump, skimmer, return pump and lights are the basics of my system. with new tech DC pumps, New tech skimmers (out with the old airstone ones), New tech lighting (LED) and there it is.

Keep it wet man!
 
Nicely put Scott. I feel that sometime new hobbyists feel like they are suppose to live up to some reef they see pics of . I feel that way sometimes. Then I remember that we are all different in our likes, goals and abilities.

As far as the poor person that tried to sell coral reasonably, I feel for her. We have had the same thing here from a friend of mine doing the same. The other "vendors" get mad at the lower prices. Sad state that people would berate her like that. We need to stop worrying about the "fad".

My theory has always been get what you like and can keep healthy. Do what makes you happy. You can never please everyone, you can never know everything, and stop trying to compete with other reef keepers. We are trying to grow a living ecosystem, share experiences, use failures and mistakes to learn, do not ruin the hobby for others through negativity.
 
Good One Scott. This is why I've been on this site so much.
I have learned so much and I've been reefing for over 20+years. Constructive criticism is healthy, if you can't be constructive then don't be a hypocrite. JMHO
 
This hits me hard. When I started reefing a very nice person took me under their wing and when it came time to get coral in the tank I was told to pick the pieces I liked best out of any of their easier to keep corals and was given a frag of them free. I learned later that I could have chosen some very expensive zoas but to this person the only thing that mattered was that I enjoy the hobby. I don't see that enough anymore to be honest. It tires me to see people being ripped off and greed running rampant in the hobby.

Later I picked up some rastas ( this was when they were the it thing lol) from a fellow reefer who had gotten them as a gift so he sold a plug of like 5 or 6 polyps for 20 bucks. I posted a "does this coral look happy post in another forum" and it started a storm of are these actually rastas. It causes you to doubt the people who are actually being decent.

I also miss true frag swaps! Now I enjoy the ones we have now with vendors. I come with a pocket full of cash and leave with a cooler of frags [emoji4]. There was just something that inspired more pride in one's tank when you traded your frags for something new.
 
I've never posted but I watch the forum religiously and I must say that this post hit home. I know I don't have the best tank, equipment, and corals but you guys are always helpful and above all GOOD HEARTED PEOPLE that keep me encouraged about this hobby.
 
Good piece there Scott! Love reading this and glad it is out there. I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion here. This is why I have moved away from the Facebook reef places and certain other forums where many of the members get on some high horse and berate others when their methods or purchased done line up with the "in-thing" or in-crowd. After 18 years or so in this hobby I have seen so much come and go. many of the old school methods still seem to work for me even with the application of some newer technologies. Simple reefs to me look and do best. Is mine complicated? not really. Tank, sump, skimmer, return pump and lights are the basics of my system. with new tech DC pumps, New tech skimmers (out with the old airstone ones), New tech lighting (LED) and there it is.

Keep it wet man!
Thanks for the kind words! I guess I should make it clear that I'm not trying to single out those auction groups as the vector for hobby woes. However, a very bizarre subculture seems to have formed on the ones I observe, including attitudes like elitism, judgemntal behavior, "cliqueishness", etc...stuff that I think is not super healthy. There will always be someone who comes on here and tells me I'm being judgmental myself, etc...and I suppose I would have trouble rendering a defense, other than to say, the "attitude" here is that there needs to be LESS attitude. Or at the least, a BETTER attitude! LOL

Your point about using what works for YOU is spot-on. I think we've somehow created a reef culture in some areas, that seems to chastise people if they don't "fall in line" and do what all of the "cool kids" are doing. I love that there are as many ways to be a successful reefer as there are reefers! It should always be that way. Take the things you need and apply them to your practice...because they work for you and your animals...nto because it's the latest trend, or because _____ runs her reef that way, etc. A simple concept, but somehow it always seems to get overlooked...and the affects are palpable.
 
Nicely put Scott. I feel that sometime new hobbyists feel like they are suppose to live up to some reef they see pics of . I feel that way sometimes. Then I remember that we are all different in our likes, goals and abilities.

As far as the poor person that tried to sell coral reasonably, I feel for her. We have had the same thing here from a friend of mine doing the same. The other "vendors" get mad at the lower prices. Sad state that people would berate her like that. We need to stop worrying about the "fad".

My theory has always been get what you like and can keep healthy. Do what makes you happy. You can never please everyone, you can never know everything, and stop trying to compete with other reef keepers. We are trying to grow a living ecosystem, share experiences, use failures and mistakes to learn, do not ruin the hobby for others through negativity.

Yeah, it's really problematic for a variety of reasons- not the least of which that creating an artificial inflated price based on (?) is not economically or ethically sound, IMHO. Yeah, the market may bear it...but if it doesn't HAVE to, than who are we fooling. If this persona can produce healthy, good-sized frags of ____ on a consistent basis instead of the overhyped nonsense that "the market" apparently has to accept, then more power to her. It's market disruption. It's what company like Warby Parker, Dollar Shave Club, and Uber ticked off the "establishment" in their respective industries. If you can do a better job, do it ethically, and do it well, giving the consumer what he/she wants at a fair price...well, then the real problematic folks are the ones who want to keep their charade going, IMHO. I mean, if the consumers WANT to pay $200 for a frag that can be delivered for $45...well, I suppose that's their prerogative, but man...:(
 
Good One Scott. This is why I've been on this site so much.
I have learned so much and I've been reefing for over 20+years. Constructive criticism is healthy, if you can't be constructive then don't be a hypocrite. JMHO
Exactly. I have a strong opinion- like many of you...and it may rub some reefers the wrong way, but I make it clear that it's MY opinion, not dole out dogma that you must follow or be banished, and I and try to follow advice that I think is sound, and share the same with others. I've been wrong about a lot of stuff, as we all have. The difference is, I'll admit it, LOL. And I suspect most of you will, too!
 
I say send her here! If any forum can handle a good deal with out it causing the end of the world it should be this one.
 
Things get ruined when we allow others to dictate how we feel. When we let them get inside our head. When their values, style, opinion overshadows our own. Things get ruined when we lose our focus.

I will be quoting this to a friend today. Not reef related.
 
This hits me hard. When I started reefing a very nice person took me under their wing and when it came time to get coral in the tank I was told to pick the pieces I liked best out of any of their easier to keep corals and was given a frag of them free. I learned later that I could have chosen some very expensive zoas but to this person the only thing that mattered was that I enjoy the hobby. I don't see that enough anymore to be honest. It tires me to see people being ripped off and greed running rampant in the hobby.

Later I picked up some rastas ( this was when they were the it thing lol) from a fellow reefer who had gotten them as a gift so he sold a plug of like 5 or 6 polyps for 20 bucks. I posted a "does this coral look happy post in another forum" and it started a storm of are these actually rastas. It causes you to doubt the people who are actually being decent.

I also miss true frag swaps! Now I enjoy the ones we have now with vendors. I come with a pocket full of cash and leave with a cooler of frags [emoji4]. There was just something that inspired more pride in one's tank when you traded your frags for something new.
Excellent story and points! I mean, the only way we can help fellow reefers from being ripped off or given awful advice, or even attitude, is to counter it with good advice, friendship, and flat-out rejection of things that are disingenuous, snobbish, and unethical. Now, just because a coral is expensive doesn't mean it's "unethical"- the real issue is the fact that there is an attitude that goes with it...and fear, and all of the other nasty stuff that we simply need to reject- just like cyanide-collected fishes, non-suitably harvested corals, etc. We have to take a stand. The hobby has enough external pressures from people and organizations who haven't a clue what we're all about...we don't need to further damage it from within by supporting ignorance, pettiness...and...just plain ol' being mean! :rolleyes:

Yeah, and I miss real frag SWAPS. I love the swap meets with vendors, too...but the real old-fashioned frag SWAP is a rare but cool thing. Maybe there will be more?
 
I've never posted but I watch the forum religiously and I must say that this post hit home. I know I don't have the best tank, equipment, and corals but you guys are always helpful and above all GOOD HEARTED PEOPLE that keep me encouraged about this hobby.
And good people are the best part of the hobby...and the not-so-good ones are a small, but unfortunately glaringly obvious (and vocal, I might add) minority that is toxic...We need to engage them more to let them know that everyone is cool...they have to feel safe or something...LOL
 
Well written and good advice! Positive article and one we should all remember when dealing with the challenges around us.
 
Very good write up! I can get caught up in the latest and greatest stuff. More equipment then corals or fish, but not everyone has room or money for the new gadgets. Or the desire.

Anyone new needs to research and learn, just like we all did. Then set up their tank to their liking. No two tanks are the same, ever.

Anyone who thinks they know all the answers all the time is wrong. There is no perfect tank, perfect answer.

Above all, as you said it is pointless to berate a fellow hobbiest just cause they do things differently. That's what makes this hobby so cool, the variations and the different ways to meet, basically, the same end goal of a beautiful tank.
 
Well written and good advice! Positive article and one we should all remember when dealing with the challenges around us.
Thanks...and I'm glad we're looking at this as positive, not as a spiteful rant. I am quite angry at the attitude she encountered, but it's no reason to come back with my own bad attitude...Nor any of ours...I'm glad everyone here is discussing these real issues in the spirit in which they are intended.You just don't see people talking about this stuff very often in forums...It would be really easy to just sit around and sing "Kumbaya" and say it's all cool...btu it's not, when our beloved hobby has nasty elements like this apparently controlling a fair amount of mind share in some parts, discouraging good peel from doing more good thing that can benefit all of us...yuck!
 

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