SAD! What's your thoughts?

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SAD! What's your thoughts?

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[twon8]

its sad but i don't think it was palytoxin, as the dog wouldn't have lasted an hour if so.

 

[twon8]

and surfn knows better than i about how it works, something about sodium channels in the heart, so crapping blood wouldn't really be a symptom.

 

[Hypertek99]

That is sad

 

[Smarsh]

Well in dogs, if he had kidney failure from the palytoxin, I am sure he had hemmoraghic gastroenteritis as well. This can and does happen. When dogs have total system shut down, everything shuts down. I can see, if the paly's were dying and the dog just licked it, then I think this can happen.

I remember reading a post once where a guy was trying to kill some paly's and he scrubbed the rocks and put them in a rubbermaid tub. His dog drank some of the water and it wasn't an immediate death. It took a few hours for it to set in.

That is really sad.

Sandy

 

[J. Montgomery]

That is sad.

Though a fellow reefing friend of mine recently had one of his dogs diagnosed with kidney failure and the vet said it was probably just a congenital defect the dog was born with. Sometimes bad conditions just pop up unexpectedly and without any noticable trigger.

 

[surfn]

seroiusly doubt it was palytoxin.......there are so many other bad compounds in corals/liverock/slime that could cause anyone number of those symptoms.....its presumptuous to blame it on palytoxin (esspecially the numbness/swelling on the hands/fingers...thats bogus).

i doubt palytoxin would cause any kidney problems, although it may be a secondary problem like what smarsh said. although, i would think a vet would be able to accurately diagnose heart failure right away.

its more than likely just liking the slime coats of corals put the dog into a state of shock....and the kidneys went into failure b/c of any number of odd compounds found in corals. that seems more likely.

 

[Reef Goddess]

Its ashame, but I'd be knocking on chemipure's door or if you knew it had a so/so history use a different product. Phosban and rowaphos work great, I've never had any trouble with them.

I've never had any troubles with palytoxins, My fingertips get just a little tingly after a long zoo fragging session but thats about it. Now zoo juice in the eye takes a while longer to go away. The sting from a torch/frogspawn I find to be a lot more irritating.