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My tank has definitely seen better days. I've compared my salinity to 2 other pretty successful tanks. I bought 2 different calibration fluids and if I calibrate using them my salt is about .027. The other tanks that use RODI to calibrate read .021 on my refractometer. I seriously don't know what to believe. Anyone else experience this? If I were to use RODI to calibrate it I'd be sitting at about .032.
 
When you calibrate your refractometer...it should read 0 with RO water. If it doesn't... then adjust it.

i totally disagree with that . Never calibrate to zero with RO . calibrate to .025 using cal fluid . that way you take one big variable out of the equation . my 0 tds RO water reads .007 on my refractomer .
 
i totally disagree with that . Never calibrate to zero with RO . calibrate to .025 using cal fluid . that way you take one big variable out of the equation . my 0 tds RO water reads .007 on my refractomer .

This is what you want to do. Always calibrate things as close as you can to the intended value you think you will be reading. It is amazing how different the accuracy of a device can be when calibrations are done close to the intended value than over a larger value, especially things like refractometers that are only single point reference devices.

If you are unsure, get a few different bottles of calibration fluid and compare them, they are relatively cheap. If you are getting close measurements on all of them, then I would trust the value over measuring 0 TDS water.
 
I took a sample today of someone else's water and brought it home. Their refractometer read .025 before I left. I came home and calibrated mine with the solution. When I tested their water it read .021. His tank was pretty nice and I doubt it would look like that if that number was true. I just spent time calibrating back and forth with RODI to 0 and the calibration fluid at .026. They now are pretty close to what they should be testing back sand forth. I tested my tank after doing that and I'm reading. 030.
 
I have a refractometer from eBay I bought many, many years ago. I also bought one from marine depot that claims to be a sw unit rather than a brine.
 
Why don't you have them test your water? Perhaps type refractometer has seen better days. I'd they're getting the correct results and you're not the unit may be defective
 
i totally disagree with that . Never calibrate to zero with RO . calibrate to .025 using cal fluid . that way you take one big variable out of the equation . my 0 tds RO water reads .007 on my refractomer .

Well for the sake of argument... the refractometer I own (forget brand...not at home) states to calibrate to 0 with RO water. Usually a good idea to follow manufacturer's recommendations.

I also purchased a new apex system a few months ago... and my refractometer and the probe are both registering exactly 1.025.

Seems to work for me.
 
After multiple adjustments I've got RODI to read just about 0 and the fluid at .026. The other persons water is reading roughly .024 too. Mine is reading .030. I'm feeling pretty confident in these results. It could explain my sps deaths.
 
Order a digital refractormeter from Milwaukee or Hanna you won’t regret it and at around a hundred bucks totally worth it. Once your tank is set if you top it off to same spot salinity shouldn’t change unless you do a major correction like take out saltwater and replace with RO or top off with saltwater instead of RO. So might be worth thinking about how tank got so outa wack to begin with.
 
I've found it helps to rinse the refractometer with a few drops of tap water / RODI, dry the lens and cover on my shirt (lol) and then take a reading. Unless clean, you can build up a little layer of salt on the meter between uses which will throw off the result.
 
I think I have more problems than just salinity. My corals have been suffering lately. My nitrates are 0 and phos read 0 on my Hanna. At the moment I only have 4 fish is a 125 with a 55 sump. I feed a lot. I lost a few of my fish due to a long story. I guess I'll get back to nitrate dosing while lowering my salinity.
 
You don't use "0" as your testing point

Just like you dont calibrate a Speedometer to "0" when your car is in park. You calibrate a Speedometer going a known speed like 55mph.

You always calibrate with a 35ppt cali fluid.

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Order a digital refractormeter from Milwaukee or Hanna you won’t regret it and at around a hundred bucks totally worth it. Once your tank is set if you top it off to same spot salinity shouldn’t change unless you do a major correction like take out saltwater and replace with RO or top off with saltwater instead of RO. So might be worth thinking about how tank got so outa wack to begin with.

+1 Love my Milwaukee
 
I'm curious about why you are so worried about your own SG level being at 1.027? Mine varies some as I sell coral and use water from my tank to fill bags and containers and the auto top off adds fresh water so my salinity goes down. So my SG runs from 1.025 to 1.027 and on occasion even a bit higher. My tank has a huge variety of corals and other animals in it. Some animals that other reefers might not even consider keeping. And they all are doing quite well. In fact my rock flower anemones are even breeding! I've had 2 rounds of babies and I've gone from having 5 RFA's to 17 with the first spawn and over 35 with the second spawn. So 1.027 isn't an issue to worry about.

You need to calm down and do some comparison work with others. Heck, I almost never even use my refractometer any more. I calibrated mine using calibration fluid (using RO water and setting at zero is a VERY poor alternative IMHO). Then I took my tank water and it read 1.025. So I tried the same water with my cheap swing arm hydrometer and as you can guess, it was wrong. It read 1.029. So it reads 0.004 too high. I labeled the hydrometer as '0.004 high' and now just subtract the 0.004 from whatever reading I get. Every 3 months after that I calibrated the refractometer and occasionally it needed a small adjustment. But every time I calibrated it, I would also do the comparison test to the hydrometer. And guess what? Every time, every 3 months for 2 years the hydrometer read 0.004 too high. So I started doing the test every 6 months for a couple of years. And now I do it every January just to be sure. It's been almost 8 years now and the hydrometer still reads 0.004 too high. So my refractometer sits in a box with my PAR meter, a couple of thermometers, a pH meter and a spare hydrometer (this one is labeled 0.010 low) and the refractometer only comes out once a year! I test my water every week just to make sure I'm in the safe range.
 
The unit from Marine Depot says you can use either ro or fluid.

salinity is on a linear scale. you can calibrate on both points to confirm. if you calibrate at 0 and 35 does not read 35 (or vice versa), then something is wrong with the refractometer, not with the calibration method.
 
The unit from Marine Depot says you can use either ro or fluid.

Calibrating with freshwater will only produce consistent results if your refractometer has perfect calibration or is designed specifically to measure seawater. Even then, if your refractometer becomes less accurate as it ages, the calibration that used to be "correct" with freshwater will now be wrong.

Calibrating with freshwater will only produce accurate results in certain circumstances. A refractive index standard will always produce accurate results @ S = 35ppt because it mimics what you're actually measuring, which is seawater. BRS's salinity standard costs seven dollars. You can make your own salinity standard for free using a 2L bottle, some table salt and a few measuring cups. I don't think there's a good reason to regularly calibrate with anything other than a salinity standard.
 

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