Salt mix issue after high moisture content

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I have a moisture problem in my basement apartment that lead to clumping in my salt mix. Running a dehumidifier in the bathroom with the door closed an the salt bag open dried the mixture out and returned it to its normal consistency.

Before mixing some salt water with it, I rotated and flipped the bag to get everything well mixed. After letting the water mix for half an hour or so, I tested pH, kH, and salinity. All three were way off. kH was 0 dkH, pH was high off the charts, and salinity was low (did not notate the value in my aquarium log book, just that it was low). It normally mixes to 7.5dkH and 7.8pH I correct it with sodium carbonate, which is also added to ATO water.

I know moisture can cause calcium to bind with other minerals (I believe carbonate to form calcium carbonate) and will not dissolve if they are in a high concentration relative to the amount of water, such as putting salt in the mixing container before the water, or in my case high moisture in the salt mix.

Would the formation of calcium carbonate (if that is the correct compound) due to moisture cause these issues? If calcium carbonate was formed, would the salt break back down to a fine homogenous mixture on its own just by being exposed to the hot dry air from the humidifier running in an enclosed bathroom? (Probably over 100°F and less than 30% humidity according to the dehumidifier)

I do not have a magnesium or calcium test kit yet as I have a pico and do weekly (or at least try to) 100% water changes, so I was not able to test calcium levels.
 
There really isn't a way for salinity to be significantly impacted, but alkalinity can be on the low side after precipitation of calcium carbonate and possible magnesium carbonate or hydroxide. I don't see why pH would be high either. Should be lowered by this precipitation.

How did you decide how much salt to add tot he water?

Did it mostly dissolve?
 
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that I made a fairly stupid mistake.

At one point I made a half batch of water, so I used a 1/4C measuring scoop, which I left in the bag. I think I added half of the required salt.:frusty:

I'm pretty sure I didn't toss the salt, so I'll make up a gallon and see how it comes out.

Any way to get an idea if calcium carbonate precipitated out without a calcium test kit? Does calcium carbonate show up in a hobby test kit?
 
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that I made a fairly stupid mistake.

At one point I made a half batch of water, so I used a 1/4C measuring scoop, which I left in the bag. I think I added half of the required salt.:frusty:

I'm pretty sure I didn't toss the salt, so I'll make up a gallon and see how it comes out.

Any way to get an idea if calcium carbonate precipitated out without a calcium test kit? Does calcium carbonate show up in a hobby test kit?

A reduction in alkalinity is the best way to check. :)
 
The precipitation that occurs in a moist salt is not reversed by drying alone.
At that point it is a rock just like what a stony coral makes.

If the salt has precipitated due to moisture you should see a fine dusting of insoluble powder in the bottom of your mixing container.
Regardless I would still test the alkalinity of a fresh batch.

I would also suggest having the water tested using another test kit to verify your results.
An off the charts low pH indicates something is off as I can't think of how a salt mix can be highly acidic.
 
I mixed up a gallon batch yesterday from the old salt to see how it would come out. A full half cup to a gallon or RO would normally mix up to a salinity of 1.025, alkalinity of 7-7.5, pH 7.8 (which I correct with some sodium carbonate to bring pH to 8.2 and alkalinity to 9.5 dKH). This batch came out to a salinity of 1.021, alkalinity of 3.5, and pH over 8.6. I didn't bother correcting to 1.026 since the parameters were too far off to come back in line with a bump in salinity of .024.

I'll make up another batch and check the calcium and magnesium levels once I get those kits (and decide between the Red Sea or Elos), although I don't have numbers from before it got messed up, so I'm not sure how useful those numbers will be.
 
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The calcium and magnesium cannot have dropped much, and I don't see how that pH can be accurate if you aerated the water, but the alkalinity does indicate that some precipitation of calcium carbonate has taken place.

IMO, the salt is likely fine if you boost the alkalinity with baking soda. :)
 

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