Saltwater Hobby Good or Bad (for preservation)
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Yeah sure. I am holding my breath suffocating while I wait. 
I would even be happy with Cervicornis or whatever that blue stuff was that we saw in Mexico.
I kinda get the whole CITES full-out ban thing. When we lived in more humid climates, I used to raise rare and uncommon orchids. They would often get just completely banned from too much collection in a few different areas. I came to realize that complete ban is the only way to protect them, even if they were somewhat sustainably sourced elsewhere. Few ruin it for the masses, I guess. In this case, you can still get captive clones/babies, just no new wild varieties... so not a total loss.
I still have some minor hope that a hobbyist who passed a test for a good environment might be able one day to be a steward for some corals like this. Institutions qualify. I can probably keep a reef better than most institutions, or at least in my own mind. There are many better than me. I mean good environment like NSW type of deal with backup generators, backup tanks/systems, enterprise grade equipment, vacation planning and the whole shebang. I guess that everybody probably would understand if a regulatory agency did not want to send an endangered coral to a tank in Tornado Alley without backup power running cheap equipment without spares on hand.
I would even be happy with Cervicornis or whatever that blue stuff was that we saw in Mexico.I kinda get the whole CITES full-out ban thing. When we lived in more humid climates, I used to raise rare and uncommon orchids. They would often get just completely banned from too much collection in a few different areas. I came to realize that complete ban is the only way to protect them, even if they were somewhat sustainably sourced elsewhere. Few ruin it for the masses, I guess. In this case, you can still get captive clones/babies, just no new wild varieties... so not a total loss.
I still have some minor hope that a hobbyist who passed a test for a good environment might be able one day to be a steward for some corals like this. Institutions qualify. I can probably keep a reef better than most institutions, or at least in my own mind.
There are many better than me. I mean good environment like NSW type of deal with backup generators, backup tanks/systems, enterprise grade equipment, vacation planning and the whole shebang. I guess that everybody probably would understand if a regulatory agency did not want to send an endangered coral to a tank in Tornado Alley without backup power running cheap equipment without spares on hand.
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No one is going to send you A. Palmatta coral, is highly endangered. If they did take it out of the wild, it would be jail time and fines.I am sure that I have not talked to everybody, but they have had some success with culturing in the ocean and greenhouses. Some have tried to culture them in facilites with substandard lighting, filtration, etc... something similar to what a hobbyist might consider a softie tank. These mostly failed.
I just want some A. Palmatta in my home since I saw a magnificent piece snorkeling in Florida once.
I seemed from talking to a few that the disease thing is mostly a red herring. Politics is the largest issue - no ship means no ship, right? If us hobbyists can figure out most diseases, quarantine, etc. then so could an actual pro.
I have had acropora spawn in my tank. What if a hobbyist could get an A. Palmatta to that size, transfer it to a solid AQ place (along with the experience and knowledge of how to keep it in captivity) and have it spawn there with all of the resources of the ocean. This is likely how this hobby helps the world one day... probably just not in my lifetime.
I know that. Thank you. There is some in captivity already and it does get moved to institutions and other places for study and to try and propagate. I would never want any illegally. I am probably never getting any legally anyway, so it does not matter.
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You know, I actually know a guy who is one of the collectors of the coral and fish down in Bali that works for a company and also does it independently (legally and CITES approved of course) and he and I were planning to start up a importing business here in Bangkok where he would collect the livestock in Indonesia and send it straight to me where I'd receive and distribute to the shops/ sellers. We were seriously going to do it so I called up the Department of Fisheries to get an import license and they told me not only the coral but all the fish were illegal to import as well no matter where they were collected.
There are scientific breakthroughs such as breeding of a new fish which is good.
Then there is basically everything else... fuel cost, tons of Styrofoam boxes, tons of plastic bags, disposable filter socks and rollers, and so on...
Hospitals also need to pack every stupid medication in a tiny plastic bag inside another plastic bag and using Styrofoam cups. Styrofoam takeout containers are terrible too.
We are certainly killing nature with consumption.
Then there is basically everything else... fuel cost, tons of Styrofoam boxes, tons of plastic bags, disposable filter socks and rollers, and so on...
Hospitals also need to pack every stupid medication in a tiny plastic bag inside another plastic bag and using Styrofoam cups. Styrofoam takeout containers are terrible too.
We are certainly killing nature with consumption.
