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Dosed 50ml once a week 3 times when I ran out of my brightwell aquatics iron

Been dosing 50ml in 575 once s week. Have a lot of Macro algae

Well it always turns my water cloudy and this last time 3 tangs didn't move on the bottom where breathing fast and 2 died

Have 45 other fish none where affect

Anyone heard of this before
 
I know of two others and make sure you have flourish iron and not flourish or better yet use a different iron supplememt.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2641254


From it my post



jason2459;25121134 said:
It could apply to some. Don't know about your case. Iron can be harmful if dosed to much or to much with out a build up to a normal dose. GlennF doses heavy amounts of iron but warns to slowly build up to the doses he does.

Fwiw, iron gluconate is perfectly fine and safe if dosed appropriately. I have used seachem flourish iron in the past before briefly with out issue to my yellow belly blue, kole, dsjardini, and chocolate tangs. But I had also previously dosed iron gluconate from fergon tabs in the past as well with no issues.

That said I do believe the Seachem flourish is designed for freshwater planted tanks I think? So possible they aren't as strict with the quality that would go into a supplement for a reef tank? Don't know.

I would recommend a diy iron supplement like Randy recommends. I'm making my own ferrus sulfate to iron(II) citrate.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/diy-the-diy-fe-ferrous-citrate-supplement.307168/

Iron(II) citrate
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/8/chemistry

Fergon tabs
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1807946



jason2459;25121260 said:
I would try and use a different product or make my own.

I believe you have there the analysis for flourish. Not flourish iron. I would not use flourish in a reef tank.

Here's flourish iron. The rest is water but we do not know the analysis of that.
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I did put a medusa cucumber in 7 days before. So it could of been the cucumber. I haven't seen it since and can't find the body

That could be the issue.
 
Yes I agree. But some on reef said 1 cucumber in 600 gallons wouldn't do it. And if it was poison why only 3 tangs abd 1 wrasses affected out of 46 fish. Powder blue, powder brown and chevron and nano tang so no I'll affacts.

I personal think it was the medusa

Do you know if once it dies do I need to take the body out Will it keep letting out poison or once it dead it stops I been changing carbon out every 2 days can I stop now
 
I would avoid the Seachem Flourish Iron for a reef tank personally.

Anything dead in a tank could cause a problem.

A good write up on the Medusa Worm. (note that relatively does not = totally non-toxic)
Aquarium Invertebrates: The Medusa Worms
By Rob Toonen, Ph.D.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/11/inverts

It is also important to note that aside from their lack of tube feet, most apodid cucumbers lack the respiratory tree and most of the associated structures characteristic of the other sub-classes of sea cucumbers. Instead, these animals tend to gain oxygen and expel carbon dioxide primarily across the body surfaces. Because these animals lack a respiratory tree and the associated tubules of Cuvier (defensive structures with which the most potent toxins of sea cucumbers are associated), they are relatively nontoxic in comparison to some of their more potent relatives such as the sea apples ( Pseudocolochirus spp.) and spotted sea cucumbers (in particular, Bohadaschia argus and Actinopyga agassizii ). The Cuvierian tubules commonly found in species of Holothuria, Bohadaschia, Stichopus and Actinopyga liberate a highly toxic saponin compound known as holothurin. This compound acts to quickly stun and even kill potential predators, which are effectively asphyxiated (suffocated) by the toxin. The toxins of some of these species are so effective that South Pacific island cultures use the macerated bodies of these sea cucumbers to stun and capture fishes, crabs and lobsters as a method of traditional fishing (Frey 1951; Ruppert and Barnes 1994)! Despite the fact that the medusa worms lack these structures and are considered ‘relatively non-toxic’ by comparison to many of these species, this does not mean that they are by any means non-toxic. For example, the beautiful sea apples (e.g., Pseudocolochirus violaceus and P. tricolor ) also lack these Cuverian tubules, but along with Bohadachia argus and Actinopyga agassizii, are considered among the most toxic sea cucumbers in the world. In fact, according to Wilkens (1998), it takes only about 1g of tissue from any of these particularly toxic species to poison the fish in a 25g tank. These toxins also affect humans, and many people suffer moderate to severe skin and eye irritation if they come into contact with these toxins (Cunningham and Goetz 1996). Some cases in which toxins came into direct contact with the eyes have resulted in blindness, and deaths have even been reported in cases where people have eaten these animals without the proper preparation.

In the most general terms, virtually any soft-bodied animal that would make easy prey on a coral reef, such as these sea cucumbers, will typically be defended in some way by distasteful chemicals or physical armament, and medusa worms are no exception. Like virtually all sea cucumbers, they are soft- bodied, lacking any real physical armament, and so they all tend to have a variety of nasty chemicals associated with their bodies to deter predators from feeding on them. Even without the Cuvierian tubules and their potent toxins, medusa worms have a variety of distasteful chemicals associated with the skin and body wall to protect them from being eaten by fishes, crabs and lobsters on the coral reef. Although the specific toxins associated with synaptid cucumbers are somewhat different from those of most other cucumbers studied to date (Kuznetsova et al. 1989; Ponomarenko et al. 2001), these animals are still reported to be highly toxic to fishes in marine aquaria if they are seriously injured (e.g., Delbeek and Sprung 1994; Fenner 2000; Michael undated online; Sprung 2001). In general, toxins are only released when the cucumbers are under severe stress (such as being chewed up after being sucked into a powerhead or overflow grate), and a diligent aquarist will usually prevent this from ever happening, and therefore never experience any problems with one of these animals. If however, and accident happens, and the cucumber is stressed severely enough to release its chemical defenses, then a good water change, together with an efficient skimmer and some activated carbon are usually sufficient to prevent any fish from asphyxiating from the soap-like holothurin. I will not detour further into the chemical defenses of sea cucumbers in this article, however I may come back to the subject another time.
 
The other website has them under a different species. To tell you the truth I have no idea Whst specie I have


Not uncommon to not exactly know and not uncommon for a store to sell something under a totally different name because they don't know.
 
Yes I should of stayed away. I normally would have bug my friend bought one and it's been 9 months and everything is ok. So I went for it. Still not sure Whst happened. It's a shame the yellow tang was my favorite fish. I might buy 3 little ones to replace my one 7 inch one. I always wanted a few of them in a tank but I started with a 2 inch one in a 57 gallon it grew so big. I didn't want to risk adding more. Now it's in a 265 so I will try to add a few Babies
 
It just happened to me. I dosed Ferrion at the rate recommended on the bottle and my Yellow Tang, Purple Tang, and Sail Fin Tang are all dead within 4 hours. I have had them all for almost ten years. Totally lame. I have a Powder Blue, Blonde Naso, Achilles, Sohal, White-tailed Bristle Tooth, Tomini, Chocolate, and Twin Spot Tangs and none of them were effected. It only effected Tangs in the genus Zebrasoma. I also have multiple wrasses, Single Spot and Magnificent Fox Faces, a pair of Masked Angelfish, and multiple gobies, but none of them were effected. None of my Cleaner, Fire, or Peppermint Shrimp or Coco Worms were effected either. They are all in a 400 gallon mixed reef with perfect parameters. I check my nitrates, nitrites, phosphate, and KH at least 3, if not 4-5 times a week and send off a water sample to Triton for ICP once a month. I am not chasing numbers, just making sure things are stable. I have well calibrated pH, ORP, dissolved oxygen, and salinity probes and none of them showed anything wrong. My 200 gallon sump has separate ROX and GFO reactors and has an 80 gallon refugium with a rotating ball of Chaeto(the reason I decided to play around and dose some iron) 20" in diameter under two Kessil H380s that make it dense and dark green. I do 100 gallon water changes 1-2 times a month with water from an eight stage RODI and HW MarineMix Reefer pharmacy grade salt. My tank has five WAVs and two XF250 Gyres that pump 35-50 times turn over that is randomized through programming and storms every day for an hour a 75 times to keep detritus from building up anywhere. Every one of the fifty different species of SPS and LPS are flourishing. Everyone of the fish is FAT and happy because of five feedings a day. They are fed with a mix of five different pellets on an auto feeder and a soup of frozen mysis, Rod's Original, Phytoplanton, Oyster Feast, Calaneeze, Selcon, Reef Roids, and Reef Chili.

Nothing showed any sign of issues before the dose and only the Zebrasoma perished. It had to be Ferrion. There is no other explanation. I wish Brightwell Aquatics would seriously look into it before this happens again to anybody else.

I have seen multiple threads on this issue and I wish all the companies making iron supplements would put warnings on their labels like so many other products do when they interact poorly/lethally with certain species of fish. This is an avoidable outcome if the necessary information is available to everyone as they look into these products.

Regardless, the rest of my reef will move on past this and so will I because I love everything about this hobby! My tank is certainly half full, not the contrary. Happy reefing!!
 

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