Seahorses and Scrubbers

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Seahorses are messy critters. Would an Algae Scrubber do a good enough job keeping water quality up to seahorse standards by itself? Maybe a hefty scrubber?
Or would other water quality processing be required?
 
Seahorses are cold water, right? I would expect that the colder water would play into the efficiency of the scrubber. Mainly, the speed of growth. With that considered, one might run into an issue with the lighting level/intensity, if you throw too much light at it then the growth might turn yellow faster/easier than if the water was warmer. So that by default sort of limits the capacity of the scrubber, meaning that you would have to run a larger scrubber under lower intensity to get the filtration you want. But that's just an educated guess.

I guess it also depends on the level of water quality you need. What is the goal with seahorses, I'm not familiar?

I have had discussions about scrubber + seahorses but that was mainly with respect to pod production and the hopes that one could sustain a pod population needed for the constant feeding level required. The idea was, put a huge scrubber above the tank and let it drain directly into it. I think I've read that people do this, they put a large pod refugium above the tank and let it gravity drain so there is a constant food supply, but even that is difficult to self-sustain unless it's well established and even then it has to be replenished regularly.
 
I guess it also depends on the level of water quality you need. What is the goal with seahorses, I'm not familiar?
Seahorses are famously messy critters. They do not have much plumbing between their input and output holes so not much digestive processing occurs. As a result...messy.

Water temperatures in the low to mid 70s. They will be in a tall 30 gal tank, 2" sand substrate, an LPS or two, maybe a small amount of live rock, a few tiny tank mates and a small clean up crew. I might add a small remote refugium for food supply, e.g., 5-10 gallons.

I'd like to get away without a skimmer. That is why I'd like to know if an algae scrubber might work well enough for water quality processing.

So water quality might be similar to a fish only tank with a bit of overfeeding. I haven't done seahorses before. This will be new for me.
 
...water quality might be similar to a fish only tank with a bit of overfeeding. I haven't done seahorses before. This will be new for me.

So, I am guessing at this point. I've done a lot of reading, ... a lot. But, given @Floyd R Turbo's remarks on cool water and algae scrubbers, I am leaning back to a protein skimmer again.

Anybody else out there with any advice?
 
Don't many incorporate macros in the DT? Wouldn't that help?

Think someone was talking about a planktonic setting on a tunze skimmer the other day to reduce the number of pods skimmed out...
 
Low 70s, 72-74° F for tropical seahorses
I was thinking it was more like something in the 60s. I think a scrubber would work in that range, but you might want to hedge it with something else.

How big will the tank be and how much would yuo say you are planning on feeding?
 
I just got back from a 2 week motorcycling vacation across the country so I have not kept up with watching this forum.
I have a tropical seahorse tank with a fuge in the middle chamber of the sump and I get phenomenal growth from my macros as long as I make sure they have Mg and iron. The cooler temps did not seem to have any negative effect on the growth of the macros. However, that being said, I still employ an oversized skimmer on my seahorse tank. I have a tank of 50 gallon total volume and my skimmer is rated for 180 gallons and I am glad I have it. If you have not had seahorses before, their susceptibility to bacterial infections compared to other marine fish is so much higher. I can tell you after treating sick ponies that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
Best of luck to you. Seahorses are wonderfully charming pets and it sounds like you are well informed. I think you will do just fine.
 
Scrubbers grow in any temp. No skimmer needed. And, although they appear messy, the nutrients that go into the water are the same, and are just a function of how much you feed. And actually since the output of seahorses is more solids, you can have more CUC fun.
 
since I am new to seahorses and pipe fish I will start with a small tank. I have a spare 30 gal Starfire tank, nice and tall.
My first seahorse tank was also a 30 gallon although not starfire. All the better to view the seahorses! It is a great size for a pair of ponies and a pipefish or 2.
 
What do they eat apart from pods? would a brine shrimp culture would be enough to sustain them? or rotifiers?
 
What do they eat apart from pods? would a brine shrimp culture would be enough to sustain them? or rotifiers?
Brine shrimp are great for gut loading with medicine or enrichment but not enough to sustain a seahorse long term. Rotifer are too small. Their main staple is mysis shrimp although if you gut load glass/ghost shrimp with enrichment they probably would be fine. My seahorses are captive bred and came trained to eat frozen mysis. I feed them live food, (brine shrimp or ghost shrimp) from time to time to keep them stimulated and engaged.
 
Most seahorses 20 years ago were taking live only. You could train one here and there to take frozen brine. Most people back then fed live ghost shrimp from the LFS and people tried to feed live brine only, but the horses would eventually succumb to issues from malnutrition.
 
Most seahorses 20 years ago were taking live only. You could train one here and there to take frozen brine. Most people back then fed live ghost shrimp from the LFS and people tried to feed live brine only, but the horses would eventually succumb to issues from malnutrition.
How does a SH eat ghost shrimp? They're too big for their small mouths.
 
You'd buy the appropriate sized ones for your horse. If they were a little large, their powerful suction will break apart the shrimp.

Not my horses/video, but just an example. I guarantee you they at e all of those in time, even if they had to work at it.


If they're "too big"...

 
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You'd buy the appropriate sized ones for your horse. If they were a little large, their powerful suction will break apart the shrimp.

Not my horses/video, but just an example. I guarantee you they at e all of those in time, even if they had to work at it.


If they're "too big"...

THANK U! I'm going to get some today after work! [emoji122]. The bellies on those ponies look so full. Mine look so skinny. [emoji22]. I'm definitely going to try it out. Jst hope the cardinals don't eat them all first
 
When you go, you have to check out what size they are and tell them to pick out the smaller ones if they are large, or pick out the bigger ones if they they are tiny. I was super lucky though, I found my own spot for catching shrimp and one scoop of the net and I'd have 1000s. My WC horses lived a long long time, because they constantly got all-they-could-eat freshly caught ghosties. You can't be as "free" with them when you rely on someone else to always have them in stock and then there's price...

Christy, do you have a thread going? Maybe we can look at their size and see what's up.
 

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