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Hello! In the coming new year I'm going to be starting up a nano invert tank! My goal is to have a mostly dominated soft coral tank with some LPS corals with lots of other cool inverts. I really love seastars and would like to have one in my tank but had always heard rumors about how they destroy coral. Does anyone have any experience with seastars in a tank with coral?
 
Avoid chocolate chips, red knobs etc. any of the Fromia or Linckia species are reef safe. Worst they could do is crawl over a coral and cause damage from the motion, but we’ve housed multiple with our coral tanks and never had an issue. I’ve had more fights with our urchins haha.
Fromias will be more diurnal (out in the day) than linckias, but both are amazing to see when they are out. My faves are blue linckia and volcano fromia. Brittle stars and serpent stars are also reef safe, but large ones may grab small fish if given the opportunity.
 
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Hello! In the coming new year I'm going to be starting up a nano invert tank! My goal is to have a mostly dominated soft coral tank with some LPS corals with lots of other cool inverts. I really love seastars and would like to have one in my tank but had always heard rumors about how they destroy coral. Does anyone have any experience with seastars in a tank with coral?
Nano as in how small?
 
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If it's a nano it is way too small for a Fromia or Linckia starfish unless you plan on spot feeding it every single day (if you intend for it to live very long at least)...trust me, i know what I'm talking about when it comes to this...go for a brittle star or serpent star if you want a star in a nano
 
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Brittle and serpent stars are easy. Will accept whatever. Fromia are easier than linckia but still not likely to work out. The problem is that they don't really eat any fish food. As far as we know they feed on bacteria or algae or something that grows on rocks but we don't really know.
 
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Brittle and serpent stars are easy. Will accept whatever. Fromia are easier than linckia but still not likely to work out. The problem is that they don't really eat any fish food. As far as we know they feed on bacteria or algae or something that grows on rocks but we don't really know.
I’ve observed our linckias and fromias feeding on diatoms, chaeto, turf and green algaes, etc. its not very mysterious, they just dont like supplemental foods 90% of the time.
 
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I’ve observed our linckias and fromias feeding on diatoms, chaeto, turf and green algaes, etc. its not very mysterious, they just dont like supplemental foods 90% of the time.
I think what you've observed is them attempting to eat biofilm built up on surfaces. They are not herbivores...
 
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Most likely, but the chaeto/algae definitely looked munched on from the linckia
I wouldn't doubt it may have consumed a small amount but a purely herbivorous diet would not meet the nutritional requirements and if that's all it had to eat it would certainly starve...there's definitely a reason other reefers don't successfully keep Linckias in nanos (well I'm sure some do until they starve to death)
 
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I wouldn't doubt it may have consumed a small amount but a purely herbivorous diet would not meet the nutritional requirements and if that's all it had to eat it would certainly starve...there's definitely a reason other reefers don't successfully keep Linckias in nanos (well I'm sure some do until they starve to death)
Im not saying theyre purely herbivorous, or that they will do good in a nano
 
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Oh, i thought you were proposing putting one in a nano...what stars did you have in mind for your nano them? Brittle stars or serpent stars would be a good choice.
I dont have a nano tank. I originally didnt see the ‘nano’ part of their post when i first suggested, but brittle and serpents are probably their only options. Astrea stars would work too but not everyone is as big of a fan of them as me lol. Ive yet to come across a species that actually causes harm to corals, but they looove coralline algae. Some species get quite ‘large’ at close to 1/2”, and can come in a range of colors from green to red to purple
 
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I dont have a nano tank. I originally didnt see the ‘nano’ part of their post when i first suggested, but brittle and serpents are probably their only options. Astrea stars would work too but not everyone is as big of a fan of them as me lol. Ive yet to come across a species that actually causes harm to corals, but they looove coralline algae. Some species get quite ‘large’ at close to 1/2”, and can come in a range of colors from green to red to purple
Oh, i actually thought you were OP! I agree that a majority of stars are reef safe although nano really restricts their options for the average reefer
 
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What size nano? Your options are limited for reef-safe in a small tank especially one that’s going to be super new. I would look into micro brittle stars which are not actually considered true starfish but are echinoderms.
 
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I dont have a nano tank. I originally didnt see the ‘nano’ part of their post when i first suggested, but brittle and serpents are probably their only options. Astrea stars would work too but not everyone is as big of a fan of them as me lol. Ive yet to come across a species that actually causes harm to corals, but they looove coralline algae. Some species get quite ‘large’ at close to 1/2”, and can come in a range of colors from green to red to purple
i am more interested in astrea seastars. I would go for a brittle star but theyre kind of weird to me lol. Just thinking for the future and what I would like to stock the tank with. If a 15g is too small for any astrea or if they will ruin the coral i will not get one.
 
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i am more interested in astrea seastars. I would go for a brittle star but theyre kind of weird to me lol. Just thinking for the future and what I would like to stock the tank with. If a 15g is too small for any astrea or if they will ruin the coral i will not get one.
The 15gal wont be too small for astrea stars at all, they are more considered a “pest” to most people haha. They will reproduce quite quickly i will warn, so decide if you want them before getting them as you may not be able to get rid of them. Of course if you do change your mind down the road, a Harlequin shrimp would fix the problem fairly easily albeit not cheaply
 
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What size nano? Your options are limited for reef-safe in a small tank especially one that’s going to be super new. I would look into micro brittle stars which are not actually considered true starfish but are echinoderms.
All starfish, brittle stars etc are echinoderms. Brittle stars are Ophiuroids, while true stars are Asteroids.
 
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Ive had my serpents at least 4 years and they bother absolutely nothing
 
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The "astrea stars" (generally known as Asterina in the hobby though they are actually Aquilonastra stars - as Asterina is a different genus of starfish in the same taxonomic family, Asterinidae) would be your best true starfish choice. Personally, I like them, but as mentioned, some people consider them pests because they tend to reproduce quickly and they might eat coral. If you want to get them, you can probably ask local hobbyists or fish stores for them, or you can buy them from places like eBay.

I've heard some species eat corals and others don't - I've seen convincing evidence for one species (a very darkly colored one), and one piece of somewhat convincing evidence for one different species, but the vast majority of these guys seem to be at least mostly safe.

With regards to whether or not the average "Asterina" (again, technically Aquilonastra - Asterina is a separate genus within the Asterinidae family) eat corals, it might be a species specific thing, it might be a you have way too many starfish so they're out of other food options thing, it might be they're eating the slime coat/mucus on the coral rather than the coral itself (see below), or they might just opportunistically eat unhealthy corals. Based on how starfish eat, it seems plausible to me that it may also be coincidental (i.e. the star goes to eat something off the coral and the coral just happens to be one that is able to be negatively effected by the star's everted stomach). Regardless, Zoas are just about the only coral I've heard about regular "Asterina" stars potentially going after (so them potentially going after a birdsnest coral is news to me).

A quote I like to refer to for this:
Timfish said:
It's an Aquilonastra spp. starfish and is a great scavenger. I see them with anywhere from 4 to 12 legs. The whole discusion around them seems to me excellent examples of misidentification, mistaken behaviour and assumed causality based just on heresay without looking at the research. Asterina spp starfish are preditary but only reproduce sexually and are shortlived so while it's possible some might get into a tank even if it did happen it's not going to be around long. Aquilonastra are one of the uncommon species that reproduce fissiparous or by splitting so are easy to identify by the different sized legs regrown after splitting. They perform an important function not only feeding off algae films but also feeding off microbial films including those on corals (at least ones that don't sting). FYI the mucus coating on corals ages and corals have to periodicely shed it to renew it and maintian healthy microbial processes (Ref 1, Ref 2). If Aquilonastra are feeding on zoas or softies I'll argue they are either benign or even beneficial as they may be reducing the unhealthy older mucus which can be full of unhealthy microbes which the animal is trying to get rid of and are far more likely to be the actual problem.

Here's an example, this Toadstool is doing one of it's periodic sheddings. The Aquilonastra have been in this system for years but only climb onto the Toadstool when it's shedding. In the first picture you can see the old mucus film, Aquilonastra starfish and areas they have cleaned off. The second picture shows the Toadstool a week later.

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