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Hello everyone!

Day one was today with the Seneye Reef and well.... here I am posting a question. I'm a little confused, perhaps concerned. I've been testing with the all popular API test kit and the params dont seem to match up unless my eyes are bad..(heck of a way to find out I need glasses lol) anyway, please look at the photos, has anyone had this same issue? trust the sneeze over Api??

Thanks in advance!

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Api is notorious for a false positive for ammonia and color tests for ph arent the most accurate.
Your seneye is basically measuring undetectable amounts of ammonia.

Are you cycling a tank?

The only valuable seneye measurements are the realtime temp and ph readouts if you dont have a robust controller.

And using it as a parmeter.
 
It also calculates NH4 (what API is reading) by taking into account the detected NH3 and pH. Would be interesting to see how accurate the sneeze pH is, really.
 
Api is notorious for a false positive for ammonia and color tests for ph arent the most accurate.
Your seneye is basically measuring undetectable amounts of ammonia.

Are you cycling a tank?

The only valuable seneye measurements are the realtime temp and ph readouts if you dont have a robust controller.

And using it as a parmeter.
Great thanks Salty, I've heard that about the API but with so many people using them why not start there while cycling, It's week 5 btw
 
if it also helps to know, only for the ammonia, that's a decent calibration. that's the level api shows on fully running reefs, in fact a bit darker green hence the fifty million false stalled cycle posts/help = .25 ammonia for weeks.

your api above is yellower than it usually runs for fully stocked reefs, and seneye shows .001 as the baseline lowest readout in fully stocked reefs many times but we don't know if that baseline reading is dead on exact until we get other meters that digitally proof each other on a given sample. let's see a picture of the tank to assess bioload

decently-stocked reef tanks rarely run .001 always so the trim function might have to be used to clean up the reading, depending on context of the reading let's see the tank pic that water sample came from

teeming with fish or not
 
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thats what I was looking at as my next purchase. I just wanted to be a little lazy lol im thinking this seneye is gonna head back
If you added ammonia and a source of bacteria 5 weeks ago, your API indicates it’s ammonia safe. I wouldn’t by any other cycle related stuff. Add a pic of the tank and more details for confirmation.
 
I would skip the nitrite test kit going forward. If you plan to quarantine new fish, you will want to test ammonia. Also, you will want to test your nitrate regularly in your DT.
 
agreed. we didn't need any of the ammonia kits to run your cycle, know when it's done, or manage the full running reefs, not ever.

the only reason to buy a seneye is if you want to contribute cycling proofs to the world using today's best meter to indicate change in stasis

api is probably the worst kit possible to indicate a change in stasis, a true rise or fall rate in ammonia (several unknown variables trip them up hence the 50m false stuck cycle threads)

but seneye is very very very consistent when trimmed and benchmarked on a running reef. you can use it to chart out peaks and troughs in ammonia control within various systems, within quarantine tanks, and not have to guess if it's rising unsafely like we always have to second guess api or red sea or any non digital test kit for ammonia including salifert. if it's non digital, someone is guessing at a color gradient for factors that run in hundredths or thousandths ppms/can't be done

a reef display is never going to do anything with ammonia we can't already predict without a two hundred dollar meter

however, nobody is going to move forward in advancing updated cycling science rules until it's done with a calibrated seneye or some hq lab gear they may have access too/ such as a hach meter or whatever the best digital readout kit is

seneye is tops for hobbyists that's for sure. they're not junk, they're just terribly redundant for display tank reefing and merely a luxury, to track out ammonia which we can already track out withone. seneye can indicate small degrees of rise and fall in nh3 very very well, and it's utility is for establishing cycling proofs among tanks it's not ever really going to help your specific tank after a cycle.

it works like this

to know if a cycled, running normal reef display has an ammonia control issue simply account for all it's fish and snails

if they're all alive, it doesn't have an ammonia issue, and if they're not all alive, remove the dead ones, then the system won't have an ammonia issue. no other cause will make the ammonia rise, and it only comes after death not before it/in a reef display.

in a quarantine and calibrated seneye is very handy because you can intercept ammonia rises before they take a toll

quarantine systems are notoriously low in surface area, that's what makes them subject to ammonia fouling even if the animals are alive.
 
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Hello everyone!

Day one was today with the Seneye Reef and well.... here I am posting a question. I'm a little confused, perhaps concerned. I've been testing with the all popular API test kit and the params dont seem to match up unless my eyes are bad..(heck of a way to find out I need glasses lol) anyway, please look at the photos, has anyone had this same issue? trust the sneeze over Api??

Thanks in advance!

IMG_0569.jpg IMG_0575.jpg IMG_0573.jpg
Everything is fine.

The API test has an ambiguous zero point. It looks like a zero reading in the photo.

Your Seneye only measures the free ammonia, a small fraction of the total ammonia which the API test reads. Seneye does you a favor and calculates the ammonium that exists in your system at its current temperature and pH. Ammonia in ppm and ammonium in ppb combined is the total ammonia. In your case total ammonia is 0.042 ppm, well below the sensitivity of the API test. All good!
 
things that aren't going to be answered in reefing until someone does it with a seneye, a few things:

-what's the breakpoint in surface area removal within a reef tank where the given bioload cannot be carried. ie: how much live rock can one remove and still reef normally without ammonia buildup: nobody knows this answer so far.

-if we do a truly unassisted cycle using no feed no bottle bac and fresh made synthetic saltwater + a bunch of dry rocks, how much ammonia can be moved at month 2 of wait

how much ammonia can it move by month 4 of wait etc

-how harmful is a rip clean to a reef's biofilter system on the rocks

-has there ever been a real instance of a 2 month stuck cycle


-what is the harm in instantly removing all of someone's matrix or bioballs/filter media

-what's the true upper end bioload limit for a given set of common reef rocks where they can't carry ammonia from fish safely

-when setting up emergency totes to handle fish as you're moving tanks or handling a seam break in a prior tank, what's the max time you can go without changes in the tote before ammonia builds up.


your display is never going to do any of these things above so we don't need a seneye on it. they're to make proof points or to guide emergency/low surface area setups.
 
can we see a pic of the tank that generated those readings Surgio
 
neat clue hunting

I predict you're dealing in a cycled reef/ need pics to proof

that meter capture above says 29 days running/all cycling charts show ammonia control by day ten and that checks out very very accurately on thousands of collective calibrated seneye chart uploads. you might have a new tank but I bet it's a cycled tank, making that api not half bad there.
 
neat clue hunting

I predict you're dealing in a cycled reef/ need pics to proof

that meter capture above says 29 days running/all cycling charts show ammonia control by day ten and that checks out very very accurately on thousands of collective calibrated seneye chart uploads. you might have a new tank but I bet it's a cycled tank, making that api not half bad there.
well that answers the cycle question, or at least seems promising its done, the the tank has been up for about 5 weeks now and decided to get this device a few days ago. Card was activated a day early but what's one day less, no biggie, I guess ill give it a few days and see where its at.
 
Everything is fine.

The API test has an ambiguous zero point. It looks like a zero reading in the photo.

Your Seneye only measures the free ammonia, a small fraction of the total ammonia which the API test reads. Seneye does you a favor and calculates the ammonium that exists in your system at its current temperature and pH. Ammonia in ppm and ammonium in ppb combined is the total ammonia. In your case total ammonia is 0.042 ppm, well below the sensitivity of the API test. All good!
Dan,

THNAK YOU for that valuable info, things can get confusing sometimes lol
 
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