Serious Shock in tank...how to diagnose

ZoWhat · Feb 6, 2022

Put one hand in the water and a light bulb in the other

Cygnus · Feb 7, 2022

thatmanMIKEson said:
I'm not sure what your saying here but it sounds like your on the right track and under control

Current cannot flow in a circuit without something to flow through. The word load can be a light bulb or a fridge.
You can measure voltage without a load. But you cannot measure current without a load. So when measuring voltage you are not measuring flow. You are measuring the presence of voltage.

thatmanMIKEson · Feb 7, 2022

Cygnus said:
Current cannot flow in a circuit without something to flow through. The word load can be a light bulb or a fridge.
You can measure voltage without a load. But you cannot measure current without a load. So when measuring voltage you are not measuring flow. You are measuring the presence of voltage.

I'm not sure your saying anything different or what you saying about what I'm saying.....but my meter only reads flow thru it, the meter becomes the light bulb as you call it, if you put both leads on a 120v hot wire it will not read 120v but when put one to neutral and one to hot it will read 120v flowing thru the meter, but Google can be confusing sometimes its ok....

thatmanMIKEson · Feb 7, 2022

Cygnus said:
What is your meter set to measure? If it is scalable you need to set it to mv first then volts depending on how much voltage there is to read. Remember its not volts alone that kill, its the combination of volts and current that kills.

AC current cycles. It only flows when there is a load connected. The meter reads the presence of volts.

First there is no positive or negative in an AC system. You may just call it the red and the black leads. Either way AC voltage can be read.
However, the ground you sourced is not connected in any way to your receptacle. So I would not trust any readings like this.

GFCI wins each time. And like you say he has no grounding conductor to plug his probe into.
GFCI can be used in lieu of a three wire receptacle. No ground required for a GFCI to work.

I have seen this a lot. Disconnect the green wire and remove it.

No telling. 3 volts can kill. Its the combination of volts and current that kills. Use a GFCI. Then you will be safe.

Its actually allot less than3 volts actually volts don't matter its amperage that does the killing ....here's a little quick Google info 4 you...
As little as 30milliamps (that's 0.03A) can kill you

Cygnus · Feb 8, 2022

thatmanMIKEson said:
I'm not sure your saying anything different or what you saying about what I'm saying.....but my meter only reads flow thru it, the meter becomes the light bulb as you call it, if you put both leads on a 120v hot wire it will not read 120v but when put one to neutral and one to hot it will read 120v flowing thru the meter, but Google can be confusing sometimes its ok....

You gotta be careful relying on Google to answer your questions. But like you I use Google all the time. My point is your meter reads the presence of voltage. And the voltage does flow through the meter like you say.
Have you ever used your volt meter to measure current? This is why I am stressing this point.

thatmanMIKEson said:
Its actually allot less than3 volts actually volts don't matter its amperage that does the killing ....here's a little quick Google info 4 you...
As little as 30milliamps (that's 0.03A) can kill you

No voltage, no current. Actually the GFCI trips between 4 and 6 ma. They do make GFCI's that trip on a higher curve. They use these for appliances that are notorious for nuisance tripping.
They even make GFCI with alarm to let the user know it has tripped.

thatmanMIKEson · Feb 8, 2022

Cygnus said:
You gotta be careful relying on Google to answer your questions. But like you I use Google all the time. My point is your meter reads the presence of voltage. And the voltage does flow through the meter like you say.
Have you ever used your volt meter to measure current? This is why I am stressing this point.

No voltage, no current. Actually the GFCI trips between 4 and 6 ma. They do make GFCI's that trip on a higher curve. They use these for appliances that are notorious for nuisance tripping.
They even make GFCI with alarm to let the user know it has tripped.

Current is amperage so yes of course I've used it to measure current......im not sure what all that other stuff is about the gfci. you said 3v will kill you and its actually allot less way less, I dont think you can trip me up on electrical like those gfci's

Cygnus · Feb 9, 2022

thatmanMIKEson said:
Current is amperage so yes of course I've used it to measure current......im not sure what all that other stuff is about the gfci. you said 3v will kill you and its actually allot less way less, I dont think you can trip me up on electrical like those gfci's

You said 3 volts. I have not mentioned volts. I would never use the term "kill you" because its all over the board. For electricity there needs to be all kinds of circumstances to attribute to death. So this cannot be measured or gleaned off the internet.

If you would just point out the wrong things in my posts I would appreciate it.

thatmanMIKEson · Feb 9, 2022

Cygnus said:
You said 3 volts. I have not mentioned volts. I would never use the term "kill you" because its all over the board. For electricity there needs to be all kinds of circumstances to attribute to death. So this cannot be measured or gleaned off the internet.

If you would just point out the wrong things in my posts I would appreciate it.

No telling. 3 volts can kill. Its the combination of volts and current that kills. Use a GFCI. Then you will be safe.(your quote)
You said kill a few times.....

Cygnus · Feb 9, 2022

thatmanMIKEson said:
No telling. 3 volts can kill. Its the combination of volts and current that kills. Use a GFCI. Then you will be safe.(your quote)
You said kill a few times.....

Bingo. Do you disagree with the highlighted? Any of it?
And yes I may have said kill. Sorry my bad.