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Hello everyone! I wanna hear about everyone’s non-drilled setups. Especially from those of you who have had a successful, accident free, setup from the start.

I recently made a trade for a 75g that was supposed to be able to be drilled and a HOB overflow that’s supposed to have all the pieces. Unfortunately, I was lied to and now I want to start a new setup but there’s some new obstacles. :( I figured I’d just replace the HOB overflow with a new one. But wanted to do some research beforehand. Photos are appreciated!
 
You will be fine with a HOB overflow, in 3+ decades of reefing I have never drilled a tank and never had any problems or floods :)

Current tank with HOB overflow and return..

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@Retro Reefer @piranhaman00 nice setups guys! Not going to lie, I’ve been checking out the build threads you both have posted and love how the final results came out. Did you both do the plumbing yourself? Or did you guys hire someone?

I guess that’s what I’m most intimidated with, going with a HOB overflow. I bought an eshopps pf300 off of eBay, brand new, for $50! Now I’ve got the tank, the stand, the overflow, and the sump. So plumbing will be the next step, I’m just not sure about where to start with it and how to create any “fail safes” (preferably without purchasing another overflow) should something go wrong. I was thinking of paying someone to install it, but even then it’s not guaranteed it won’t fail. Any info is helpful!
 
@Retro Reefer @piranhaman00 nice setups guys! Not going to lie, I’ve been checking out the build threads you both have posted and love how the final results came out. Did you both do the plumbing yourself? Or did you guys hire someone?

I guess that’s what I’m most intimidated with, going with a HOB overflow. I bought an eshopps pf300 off of eBay, brand new, for $50! Now I’ve got the tank, the stand, the overflow, and the sump. So plumbing will be the next step, I’m just not sure about where to start with it and how to create any “fail safes” (preferably without purchasing another overflow) should something go wrong. I was thinking of paying someone to install it, but even then it’s not guaranteed it won’t fail. Any info is helpful!

I did it myself. You are worried about plumbing the entire tank? Or just the overflow? Or just the return?

Any overflow can really fail. Yes, HOB have a greater potential to fail. The LifeReef overflows are known for their apparent ability to not fail. I use two on my 180 and power has been on and off multiple time without the siphons stopping. And tbh I had an eshopps years ago that would develop bubbles. If they got big enough the siphon would fail to start again.

I do use two overflows as a fail safe. If one failed the tank would start to overflow but at a much slower rate then if there was no water dropping to the sump. I can take some additional images if youd like to see.
 
I've had my lifereef overflow on my 55 for almost 3 years now. I shut off the pump daily for feeding and have never had any issues with the siphon restarting. This was when I first set it up.

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This is my 75g that I've had for 5 years now without any issues or flooding. Siphon starts right back up again whenever the pump is shut off.

Changed some stuff around since this picture was taken.
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This is my 20g anemone tank that I set up last January. I replaced that filter with a HOB overflow and added a sump shortly after this picture was taken. So far no issues with this also. I will have to move it eventually because it's in my workshop and it gets hot in there during the summer months. This tank reached 85 degrees on some days last summer, but everything in the tank was fine and no losses.
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I have a CPR overflow for my 125 gallon tank. After 4 very close calls of flooding my living room due to the aqua lifter pump getting clogged I now have my ATO plugged into an outlet that's connected to my light switch that way it will not automatically top off my tank unless I am there with the light on.
 
I have a CPR overflow for my 125 gallon tank. After 4 very close calls of flooding my living room due to the aqua lifter pump getting clogged I now have my ATO plugged into an outlet that's connected to my light switch that way it will not automatically top off my tank unless I am there with the light on.
And just a friendly suggestion, if you have to have an aqua lifter to keep your overflow running my suggestion would be to have one as a backup.


Ya do NOT use an overflow that requires a pump.
 
My first saltwater tank (15 years ago) used hang on the back over flow. It was extra maintaince to keep it clean. And always, always check the siphon. The over flow tubes slowly got air in them, causing siphon to stop. There was two tubes. I got really good at restarting the siphon.
 
My first saltwater tank (15 years ago) used hang on the back over flow. It was extra maintaince to keep it clean. And always, always check the siphon. The over flow tubes slowly got air in them, causing siphon to stop. There was two tubes. I got really good at restarting the siphon.

My experience with an eshopps.

My life reef overflows develop no bubbles, the siphon is strong and pulls all bubbles down. Yes good to check though.
 
I was given a 75 gal tank with a siphon overflow. It worked fine for awhile. I was on a windsurfing vacation in Venezuela when I got a phone call in the middle of the night. My son told me water from the aquarium was flowing to the basement. I had to tell him how to restart the siphon over the phone. It took about an hour but he got it going. The phone bill was $200 US.

I now have a hang on skimmer, no overflow, and I am very happy.
 
I now have a hang on skimmer, no overflow, and I am very happy.

yikes! Sorry to hear about that incident. $200 definitely hits different when it’s spent on bills and not things you enjoy...
It never occurred to me that I could purchase a hang on slimmer or a hang on fuge and throw a compact skimmer in there. I prefer the clean look of a sump, but incidents like that scare me away from one.
 
I did it myself. You are worried about plumbing the entire tank? Or just the overflow? Or just the return?

Any overflow can really fail. Yes, HOB have a greater potential to fail. The LifeReef overflows are known for their apparent ability to not fail. I use two on my 180 and power has been on and off multiple time without the siphons stopping. And tbh I had an eshopps years ago that would develop bubbles. If they got big enough the siphon would fail to start again.

I do use two overflows as a fail safe. If one failed the tank would start to overflow but at a much slower rate then if there was no water dropping to the sump. I can take some additional images if youd like to see.

Yeah, I’m not known for having the best track record in putting things together so the plumbing is pretty intimidating. Some more I mages would be great! You could PM them if you prefer that as well. If I go with a Lifereef, which I’m really considering, should I buy two and use one as a failsafe? Or can I just buy one with the double prefilter and plumb it so that they're both failsafe?

And just a friendly suggestion, if you have to have an aqua lifter to keep your overflow running my suggestion would be to have one as a backup.
Thank You!

And thank you to everyone who’s responded to this thread! You all have been super helpful.
 
Pictures almost 4 years apart to the day. All with a eShopps hob overflow. It has never failed to restart. Multiple day power outages, plenty of stops and starts by me, cleaning etc. all good. Use the eShopps or lifereef. They are u siphon, and don’t need a pump. Relying on a pump adds risk that it can fail. These won’t as easily.
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@Retro Reefer @piranhaman00 nice setups guys! Not going to lie, I’ve been checking out the build threads you both have posted and love how the final results came out. Did you both do the plumbing yourself? Or did you guys hire someone?

I guess that’s what I’m most intimidated with, going with a HOB overflow. I bought an eshopps pf300 off of eBay, brand new, for $50! Now I’ve got the tank, the stand, the overflow, and the sump. So plumbing will be the next step, I’m just not sure about where to start with it and how to create any “fail safes” (preferably without purchasing another overflow) should something go wrong. I was thinking of paying someone to install it, but even then it’s not guaranteed it won’t fail. Any info is helpful!

the pf300 is a fantastic HOB overflow, no need to hire someone it’s a 5 minute instal.. simply plug overflow flex hose into your HOB overflow (you can glue these but I typically just friction fit and sometimes a few wraps of electrical tape to keep the connection together if I absolutely feel it’s needed) then hang it on your aquarium and plug the other end of flex hose into sump (I don’t use glue on sump connection either just push flex hose hard and twist to seat into bulk head) and your done ;)

there are no fail safes with this kind of set up but if you use the right equipment and set it up properly they are just about bulletproof just remember any kind of overflow can potentially fail. here are some of my recommendations (not promoting brands or dissing others methods, just my opinions).

* buy a quality overflow such as life Reef or eshopps

* buy overflow to match flow rate you desire for your tank

* do not use a overflow that depends on another piece of equipment to keep it going

* return pump needs to be able to meet or exceed recommend flow rate of overflow (critical) and a valved return line or DC return pump to control water flow is highly recommended.

* to prevent bubbles from forming air pocket in U tube and causing a failure water flow needs to be sufficient (critical).. watch the U tube, bubbles should should just blast through it, if they are “dancing“ in the arch of tube or at the outlet of tube your flow is insufficient (this is critical to prevent failure)

* to prevent snails or other things from potentially blocking U tube and causing a failure use something like gutter guard in the overflow box (this is critical to prevent failures). I use this, it can be cut to fit and works fantastic..
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* If you happen to be fighting algae issues make sure U tube doesn’t get clogged by algae that may grow inside it. This may mean pulling it every few weeks and cleaning if necessary (Purchasing a extra U tube simplifies this). You can cover the U tube to block light and help prevent algae growth if needed.

* probably not going to cause failures but clean foam prefilter every few weeks or as desired/needed (I keep extras to simplify this)

Just take a minute to visually inspect overflow from time to time and you will be fine. look for air pocket in U tube and any potential blockages.. following these guidelines I have never had a failure of any kind with HOB’s including one tank that ran for over 13 years.
 

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