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I was given a Millepora frag... not sure exactly which it is...a few weeks ago and now it's showing some bleaching at the bottom...all my other corals and SPS frags are doing well... my levels are
Temp=79°
SG=1.025
PH=8.0
Nitrite=0
Amm=0
Nitrate=below 5ppm but not 0
Phos=slightly above 0
Cal=480
Alk=9
Should I frag the bottom to save the coral or any other suggestions... I'm just starting to try SPS. Im running GEN3 Radions on the SPS AB+ plus setting for 8hrs a day....thanks for any advice

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I would not frag it yet. Are you sure that's not bleaching from being shaded?
 
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If the white areas grows up to the forks of the branches of the coral, then I would frag it to try and save some pieces. Growing to the forks isn't really a rule or anything, it just gives you a frame of reference to see if it is something like tissue necrosis and it is expanding. If it doesn't move over the next few days, I would just let it be and see if it grows back.
 
pensacola-aquarist said:
If the white areas grows up to the forks of the branches of the coral, then I would frag it to try and save some pieces. Growing to the forks isn't really a rule or anything, it just gives you a frame of reference to see if it is something like tissue necrosis and it is expanding. If it doesn't move over the next few days, I would just let it be and see if it grows back.
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thanks...guess I'll wait and see...by any chance, would you happen to know what type of Millepora it is
 
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I see polyps within the white area. That wouldn't be rtn or stn. I'd guess it's just getting too much shading. I've seen healthy and brightly colored corals go white on the underside of the branches/plates.
 
Did you dip and QT the coral? Checking for pests that is. But also that area is shaded, even though the coral is at the top, the branches and body all seem to shade that area so it COULD possibly just be that shading. Also it appears to be a maricultured piece, so there wouldn't be a "name" per se. Call it whatever you like!
 
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BoomCorals said:
Did you dip and QT the coral? Checking for pests that is. But also that area is shaded, even though the coral is at the top, the branches and body all seem to shade that area so it COULD possibly just be that shading. Also it appears to be a maricultured piece, so there wouldn't be a "name" per se. Call it whatever you like!
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yea, I dipped and QT the coral for 2 weeks then had it on the bottom of the tank for an additional week to get acclimated to my lights...moved it to that spot about 2 weeks ago... should I give it a few more days to wait and see or move now to better location
 
Efranco said:
yea, I dipped and QT the coral for 2 weeks then had it on the bottom of the tank for an additional week to get acclimated to my lights...moved it to that spot about 2 weeks ago... should I give it a few more days to wait and see or move now to better location
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I'd leave it and wait and see if the bleaching continues past the shaded area.
 
Observe it. It can still be shaded - Radion are the definition of point source light and have lots of shading issues.

Millepora are notoriously difficult with most LEDs, especially as they grow - they are not undoable, or anything, just not rock-solid-easy like under other light sources. This being said, the one next to it looks like it is encrusting quite well, but this part is in the direct light - pay attention to the underside of this Mille for problems, as well.

The growth pattern on both of those look like break-offs from generic Maricultured pieces like they broke them up into 4-5 hunks and ditched the base. ...hard to tell, though.
 
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I have never had "notorious" difficulty with Millepora under LED. :) Nor any other coral for that matter. ;)
 
As you can see, I never said that everybody did or that it was impossible. If you have not heard of this, then you have not been paying attention. There are about a dozen TOTM threads on the other board that note this and more famously, Dr. Joshi lost all of his colonies when he switched - this should be enough to at least establish a trend. It is a real thing for a lot of people and even if you are good with them, ignoring this possible trend might not be helpful to some folks who are not as good as you. If this dude ends up losing this, he could kill even more stuff chasing parameters or trying to fix who-knows-what when the simple explanation is that it might not be anything that he did and just should stay put and coral-on with the next one.
 
+1 wait
Also looks real fresh so it might have been like this after it was glued and you just noticed it.
I would be more concerned if it was encrested and starting to stn.
You will cause a bigger problem by touching it now.
I learn to just wait and see. But check if it's isolated case.
Check parameters if you want.
But I do not do any adjustment unless all sps start to go down hill.
Countless times I have f things up by messing with water Q
 
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Right but on the same hand telling him his LEDs are probably the problem isn't all that helpful either, when there are just as many examples of people who have never had a bit of trouble with Millies under LED. It's one thing to say a big change like moving from one light type to another causes a loss of coral (Joshi), but to say it's a specific type of light is misleading. :) But if you want to debate LED vs not LED, that's for another thread. Point being, you said this is a probable problem, I merely disagreed. When I changed my tank 8 years ago from Halide to LED I didn't lose a single Mille, or any coral for that matter. But - anecdote isn't a trend.
 
I never said probable. Don't even recall thinking that. It is definitely a possible cause with plenty of people and evidence that it happens with good hobbyists. Like I said, the other one looks fine and if it continues to look fine, then just let it go... it is not you. After all, it did just move from who-knows-what a few weeks ago so a light-source move did happen. When stuff happens to the best of the best and there is more than a handful of examples, this is a trend, not just an anecdote - definitely not science or fact, but worth mentioning.

None of us would every be able to give advice or help if the "just as many people have never had a bit of trouble the other way" had to apply. Lots of people have no trouble with pests even though they have never dipped or QT'd. Lots of people never had a bit of trouble with NSW parameters, but higher N and P is all the rage now. I think that it is best to list possible issues and see if anything rings true to the poster.
 
jda said:
I never said probable. Don't even recall thinking that. It is definitely a possible cause with plenty of people and evidence that it happens with good hobbyists. Like I said, the other one looks fine and if it continues to look fine, then just let it go... it is not you. After all, it did just move from who-knows-what a few weeks ago so a light-source move did happen. When stuff happens to the best of the best and there is more than a handful of examples, this is a trend, not just an anecdote - definitely not science or fact, but worth mentioning.

None of us would every be able to give advice or help if the "just as many people have never had a bit of trouble the other way" had to apply. Lots of people have no trouble with pests even though they have never dipped or QT'd. Lots of people never had a bit of trouble with NSW parameters, but higher N and P is all the rage now. I think that it is best to list possible issues and see if anything rings true to the poster.
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Fair enough I think, I maybe read between the lines too much. :)
 
Do you know what type of lighting the Millepora was under before you got it?
That help determine if the lighting had anything to do with it.
I have never had any problems with millepora and LED's.
I have Kessil's and Radion's
 
Petr_Patter said:
Do you know what type of lighting the Millepora was under before you got it?
That help determine if the lighting had anything to do with it.
I have never had any problems with millepora and LED's.
I have Kessil's and Radion's
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Not sure...they were a gift from my cousin who just started in the hobby. He bought them from a LFS in NY. At my LFS, where I buy all my corals, they use Radions. I'm gonna send him a text to see if he can find out
 
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