Shrimp QT Question

[Marco S]

Since the only reason to QT inverts is because they can carry parasites and or eggs/cysts in on them...wouldn't it be safe to assume that once a shrimp molts it is safe to add to the DT instead of waiting 76 days? I have wondered this every time one of my shrimp sheds it's skin, but keep forgetting to ask.

Instead of a simple yes or no, please explain your reasoning if you decide to reply here. Thanks in advance! ;Happy

 

[code4]

I have read that once they molt that any parasites eggs would no longer be on them. My self I would wait a few more days for any that have hatched already to die before moving them to my DT. Don't want to risk it moving with the water. I of course remove the molt!

 

[Badilac]

Yes once it has molted it is good to go into DT

 

[Marco S]

I have read that once they molt that any parasites eggs would no longer be on them. My self I would wait a few more days for any that have hatched already to die before moving them to my DT. Don't want to risk it moving with the water. I of course remove the molt!

I usually rinse everything off with a brief freshwater dip before transferring them from QT to my DT to take care of anything free swimming that may be in the water.I am very paranoid of transferring anything since I have spent so much time, energy and money to QT everything wet so far and because of that I will probably still wait the full 76 days, but was just wondering.

As far as the Molt goes, I have 20 Nassarius Snails in QT with the shrimp and they take care of the molts for me. Not sure if that's good or not, but they seem to like it since they devour it pretty quick.

 

[bluprntguy]

You can’t freshwater dip a shrimp. Unless you are trying to kill it.

 

[Marco S]

You can’t freshwater dip a shrimp. Unless you are trying to kill it.

I beg to differ...since I have done it three times now and they are all still alive and doing well. ;Happy

Edit: to clarify a bit, I don't leave them in for 5 minutes like fish, I just leave them in the amount of time it takes to walk from my invert QT tank in my office to my DT in the family room.

 

[Paul Sands]

I beg to differ...since I have done it three times now and they are all still alive and doing well. ;Happy

Video or it didn’t happen.

 

[Marco S]

Video or it didn’t happen.

Believe what you want, I have nothing to prove to you, nor do I care to argue the point.

 

[bluprntguy]

I beg to differ...since I have done it three times now and they are all still alive and doing well. ;Happy

Edit: to clarify a bit, I don't leave them in for 5 minutes like fish, I just leave them in the amount of time it takes to walk from my invert QT tank in my office to my DT in the family room.

Kind of goes against everything written about shrimp. They do poorly with salinity swings of any sort. What type of shrimp and how long was the dip? The amount of time it takes to walk from one tank to another isn’t much to go on. That could be 10 seconds or 3 minutes.

 

[Marco S]

Kind of goes against everything written about shrimp. They do poorly with salinity swings of any sort. What type of shrimp and how long was the dip? The amount of time it takes to walk from one tank to another isn’t much to go on. That could be 10 seconds or 3 minutes.

About 20 seconds give or take and I have done that for 10 Turbo snails, 2 Conches, 2 Scarlet Skunk Clearner Shrimp and one Blood Red Shrimp. I also do not acclimate my inverts and everyone says you NEED to do that as well. I am not trying to argue what others have written or do...just saying what I do and although I have lost many fish during the QT process, I have yet to lose an Invert.

That is all I am saying on this topic since I am not trying to start a debate here and it seems that every time I say anything about not acclimating my Inverts I get a ton of hate comments saying everything from me being cruel to me being stupid. Let's get back to the point of this thread...do you have an opinion on if it is OK to transfer a shrimp from QT after it molts or would you wait the entire 76 days?

Edit: Figured I would add, (for those trolls that would check my posts here) the hate comments did not come from this site. I have posted a few times on Facebook groups about my QT process and as soon as I bring up the fact that I do not acclimate my Inverts the comments start coming in. For that reason, I am done talking about it. I just brought up the freshwater dip, (more of a brief rinse) because the issue of transferring free swimming parasites was brought up and that is how I choose to deal with it.

 

[Paul Sands]

About 20 seconds give or take and I have done that for 10 Turbo snails, 2 Conches, 2 Scarlet Skunk Clearner Shrimp and one Blood Red Shrimp. I also do not acclimate my inverts and everyone says you NEED to do that as well. I am not trying to argue what others have written or do...just saying what I do and although I have lost many fish during the QT process, I have yet to lose an Invert.

That is all I am saying on this topic since I am not trying to start a debate here and it seems that every time I say anything about not acclimating my Inverts I get a ton of hate comments saying everything from me being cruel to me being stupid. Let's get back to the point of this thread...do you have an opinion on if it is OK to transfer a shrimp from QT after it molts or would you wait the entire 76 days?

Edit: Figured I would add, (for those trolls that would check my posts here) the hate comments did not come from this site. I have posted a few times on Facebook groups about my QT process and as soon as I bring up the fact that I do not acclimate my Inverts the comments start coming in. For that reason, I am done talking about it. I just brought up the freshwater dip, (more of a brief rinse) because the issue of transferring free swimming parasites was brought up and that is how I choose to deal with it.

I’m always perplexed by people that come to a discussion board to make statements, but then don’t want to discuss it.

Since you aren’t willing to discuss it, I think most people will just assume it’s hogwash. Most shrimp’s inability to survive even minor salinity changes has been studied and established as fact. I seriously doubt most would survive a 20 second freshwater dip. I would be interested to know what species did survive the dip. If I had to guess, this was probably a camelback.

For the record, freshwater dipping most snails for a short amount of time isn’t likely to be an issue. Most can survive in tidal zones that are exposed to air and rain.

 

[Marco S]

I’m always perplexed by people that come to a discussion board to make statements, but then don’t want to discuss it.

Since you aren’t willing to discuss it, I think most people will just assume it’s hogwash. Most shrimp’s inability to survive even minor salinity changes has been studied and established as fact. I seriously doubt most would survive a 20 second freshwater dip. I would be interested to know what species did survive the dip. If I had to guess, this was probably a camelback.

For the record, freshwater dipping most snails for a short amount of time isn’t likely to be an issue. Most can survive in tidal zones that are exposed to air and rain.

Assume what you want my friend.

Now that you got that out and set me straight with your "established fact"...do you have any opinions on the actual topic of this thread?

 

[ScottR]

To say that a molt completely rules out parasites seems too much of an assumption imo. A parasite could jump back on a shrimp after a molt at anytime. Shrimps like to play on the bottom where parasites lie and the shrimps like to dig around the dirty. Are you pulling the shrimp immediately after a molt? I’ve never witnessed one of my inverts molt and the only way I knew was after I saw the shell. And even then, I couldn’t tell which one it was.

 

[Marco S]

To say that a molt completely rules out parasites seems too much of an assumption imo. A parasite could jump back on a shrimp after a molt at anytime. Shrimps like to play on the bottom where parasites lie and the shrimps like to dig around the dirty. Are you pulling the shrimp immediately after a molt? I’ve never witnessed one of my inverts molt and the only way I knew was after I saw the shell. And even then, I couldn’t tell which one it was.

I do not pull them after a molt and I have not actually witnessed the molt either. Like you, I just see the shell after the fact. I have kept them the full 76 days for the three shrimp I have in my DT, but was just wondering if it would be safe or not for future consideration.

As far as parasites go though, they do not attach to shrimp, (or do they). I was under the impression that the only way they are transported by inverts was the eggs attaching and not the actual parasite. If that is the case, the free swimming parasites would not attach to anything and they would die after a certain amount of time and not be able to reproduce and lay more eggs to attach to anything. But I could be wrong...

 

[bluprntguy]

I do not pull them after a molt and I have not actually witnessed the molt either. Like you, I just see the shell after the fact. I have kept them the full 76 days for the three shrimp I have in my DT, but was just wondering if it would be safe or not for future consideration.

As far as parasites go though, they do not attach to shrimp, (or do they). I was under the impression that the only way they are transported by inverts was the eggs attaching and not the actual parasite. If that is the case, the free swimming parasites would not attach to anything and they would die after a certain amount of time and not be able to reproduce and lay more eggs to attach to anything. But I could be wrong...

If the shrimp is in a invert only quarantine tank then the free swimming parasites that exist in that tank are in the stage where they either need to find a fish or perish (stage 1 below). If there aren't any fish in the tank, then they perish.

 

[Paul Sands]

Assume what you want my friend.

Now that you got that out and set me straight with your "established fact"...do you have any opinions on the actual topic of this thread?

I think the detour about freshwater dipping shrimps was originally taken by you. Why are you trying to blame me for the fact that you derailed the thread? It’s pretty disrespectful to bring up a topic in a thread and then demand that you are the only person that can talk about it.

Again, what species of shrimp did you successfully do a freshwater dip with?

 

[Marco S]

If the shrimp is in a invert only quarantine tank then the free swimming parasites that exist in that tank are in the stage where they either need to find a fish or perish (stage 1 below). If there aren't any fish in the tank, then they perish.

That's what I was thinking as well, but I wasn't 100% sure so I figured I would post this and see what others thought. I will probably stick to the 76 days for all inverts and coral since I have already invested so much into it and am in the last stretch of stocking my tank. It's just really hard to keep up with so many QT tanks and have to wait so long to actually put them in my DT, but hopefully the many years of satisfaction and enjoyment I will get from the final result will be worth it in the long run. ;Happy

Nice diagram by the way!

 

[ScottR]

That's what I was thinking as well, but I wasn't 100% sure so I figured I would post this and see what others thought. I will probably stick to the 76 days for all inverts and coral since I have already invested so much into it and am in the last stretch of stocking my tank. It's just really hard to keep up with so many QT tanks and have to wait so long to actually put them in my DT, but hopefully the many years of satisfaction and enjoyment I will get from the final result will be worth it in the long run. ;Happy

Nice diagram by the way!

I hate to say this but the shrimp will have just spent about 15% of its life in QT. ;Muted

 

[Marco S]

I think the detour about freshwater dipping shrimps was originally taken by you. Why are you trying to blame me for the fact that you derailed the thread? It’s pretty disrespectful to bring up a topic in a thread and then demand that you are the only person that can talk about it.

Again, what species of shrimp did you successfully do a freshwater dip with?

I was not blaming you for anything...I just refused to talk about it. And I already said what species of shrimp I rinsed off with freshwater if you re-read the second post you quoted. ;Happy

After doing a bit of research though, I see now that it was wrong and in hindsight I should not have done that, but it does not change the fact that I did and they did survive it and are doing fine. In the future I will not do it again though and will use clean saltwater to rinse them off instead.

 

[ReefDude2019]

I’m always perplexed by people that come to a discussion board to make statements, but then don’t want to discuss it.

Since you aren’t willing to discuss it, I think most people will just assume it’s hogwash. Most shrimp’s inability to survive even minor salinity changes has been studied and established as fact. I seriously doubt most would survive a 20 second freshwater dip. I would be interested to know what species did survive the dip. If I had to guess, this was probably a camelback.

For the record, freshwater dipping most snails for a short amount of time isn’t likely to be an issue. Most can survive in tidal zones that are exposed to air and rain.

Sounds like all this guy wants to do is argue. I’ve read several other posts by him in different threads and he seems to like he is just here to start arguments instead of help people. If It was my post I would have just hit the Ignore button instead of continuing to fuel his fire, but that’s just me.

As far as the question you asked, I wouldn’t chance transferring anything before the full 76 days even though I agree that molting most likely gets rid of any Ich cysts attached.