Sick 2 band red sea clownfish ;(

[Sea-air-a]

October 10th 2017 i picked up two clownfish, they were a very pretty bright yellow color for the first week... from there they started to go downhill quick.
first their middle going up (stomach area) turned a dark color, then black spots started to appear everywhere on them. I freaked out and placed them into my 13.5G for quarantine so i could see how they would do.
They literally over night also broke out in regular ich super bad. D;!!
my pearl eye 2 band red sea was like this for a good week before one morning i woke up to him on the bottom of my tank gasping for air literally lost of all his color, white with my cleaner shrimp trying to eat his eyeballs out! needless to say he didn't make it.
i am worried for the fish in my tanks health now.... i moved all invert out and into my 32G which was just a cleaner shrimp and some snails/ hermits.
I now have left a little watchmen goby ,my regular 2 band red sea clownfish and a sharknose goby who also at the time broke out in ich worse then then my clowns.
i hadn't dosed anything yet because i didn't know what it was besides knowing they had regular ich.
I went to a friend and they told me they thought it was marine velvet? i got the medication and dosed my tank, took out carbon and waited to see if there was a different... but nothing. my clownish is still getting the blackish dots all over and on top of that i think i am noticing some on my yellow watchmen gobies feet fins but i did notice their and I'm at a loss on what to do before all of my fish die.
dose them again with another 7 day treament the marine velvet?? it has been a little over 2 weeks since first dosing them.
Do i dose them for the ich because i know for a fact they have it?
is it black ich that they have and not marine velvet??? if so how do i even treat that!
will post pic but they are not recent, will post recent ones tomorrow when their lights come back on.
Any help would be awesome! and please ignore my horrible rambling

 

[Sea-air-a]

The pic including both fish was when I first brought them home. They had no black dots

 

[Maritimer]

Those black dots don't really look like "black ich" (which is actually turbellarian worms, and treatable with Prazi-Pro) to me - although they could be ... but do you have an anemone or coral that the clowns are being hosted by / wallowing in? Anemone and coral stings often present as little dark dots of hypermelanization, which would be pretty much nothing to worry about.

The ich, on the other hand, will need attending to. Best would be to remove the clowns to a quarantine tank for treatment with copper or Chloroqine Phosphate (CP - available in the U.S. by veterinary prescription only). You'll want to pull _all_ of your fish for treatment (return the shrimp and other inverts to the display), and keep them out of the display tank for 76 days, in order to ensure that the ich in your tank is eliminated by starving it of food (your fish).

~Bruce

 

[Sea-air-a]

See I thought that was it also but I moved them into QT and it has now been going on 2 months they have been in there.
The dots are still appearing and disappearing in different places not getting better....and you can’t see it in pictures but the black dots cover his bottoms fins and tail bad.

 

[Maritimer]

@Humblefish - any thoughts on these guys?

Spots resemble hypermelanization to me, but keep coming (and going) without anemones or corals.

Have these guys been treated for flukes, or with Praziquantel (Prazi-Pro?)

~Bruce

 

[Humblefish]

It does resemble Hyper-Melanization to me. But if no corals/inverts are present, it must be something else.

The first thing I would do is give them (or just one) a 5 min FW dip to see if that has any impact on the spots: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/freshwater-dip.248898/

 

[Sea-air-a]

See I thought that was it also but I moved them into QT and it has now been going on 2 months they have been in there.
The dots are still appearing and disappearing in different places not getting better....and you can’t see it in pictures but the black dots cover his bottoms fins and tail bad.

And in my QT I have only the three fish and a tiny rock for my 2 smaller to get away from my clown because he is aggressive.
I have also done a 7 day treatment chloroquine phosphate.. like stated above.
I do have a magnificent anemone in my 32 that he did try to host in for the first 2 weeks I had them In It before I relocated them into QT.
But why would the dots be going and coming and now be worse? I am at a loss

 

[Sea-air-a]

I was suggested today at LFS to do water changes for another week or two and let my tank settle before I dosing it with rid ich because I dosed CP about 3 weeks ago. I am hoping the rid ich will help...
I know for a fact they have regular ich so should I dose them with rid ich first or should I do a FW dip and wait?

 

[Maritimer]

The CP should ideally have been dosed for 14 days (if the fish were being moved to another, clean QT immediately afterward) or for 30 days (if the fish were staying in the same tank.) A seven day dose of CP doesn't allow much wiggle-room if the fish are transferred to another setup, and if the fish remained in the dosing tank, they're just about guaranteed to come right back up with ich.

Rid-Ich may somewhat control the numbers of ich, but won't eradicate it. I've tried it. Corals got crippled, ich laughed.

~Bruce

 

[Sea-air-a]

Here are how he looks today.
He does not look AT ALL how he was when I got him, he was a beautiful plain yellow color.
I know something is up.

 

[Sea-air-a]

I will look into maybe a longer CP dose? It’s just hard to get hands on

 

[Humblefish]

In the last pic, it looks like there might be some white spots on him. Or is that just on the glass?

I also think you're gonna need Seachem Metroplex and antibiotics before this is all over with: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/antibiotics.283711/

Kanaplex and/or Furan-2 would be ideal to go with the Metroplex.

 

[Sea-air-a]

Should I not use rid ich?
It is what my LFS is suggesting I use .
But if the metro is stronger ect works better I will go with it instead

 

[Maritimer]

I tried Rid-Ich, in my display, as I was new to reefing and the LFS said it would eliminate ich, and that it was reef-safe.

The ich grew steadily worse, and my Blastomussa died.

To date, there is not one single product that is both reliably reef-safe _and_ capable of eliminating either ich or velvet in a timely manner. ("Timely", in this case, meaning "before your fish all die".)

~Bruce