Snails die almost as soon as I add them
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salty joe
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That's strange the link doesn't work-I'm pretty sure I clicked on it yesterday and it was fine. I deleted all the green check marks because I got an error for too many characters.
I don't think there's a stray voltage problem.
It's maybe a 40 min trip from the store, so I'm thinking ammonia is not a problem.
I got a different kind of Trochus from a different store and did a much quicker acclimation like you guys said. It started to move around right away! Ha! I was starting to think something in my tank was toxic that ATI doesn't test for. I am really excited to be able to move forward.
Thanks you guys for helping me out. It's much appreciated.
The snail I got today came in 35ppt water (like mine) and the other store was a skinny 34ppt. I wonder how much that had to do with anything.
If only I had grabbed the snails as soon as they died, I would've had enough for an appetizer. And I woulda shared them with you skimjim.
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Symbol Value Calculated reference value Difference Result Actions
Base elements
Salinity (NaCl) 34.66 PSU 35.00 PSU -0.34 PSU
Carbonate hardness 6.74 °dKH 7.50 °dKH -0.76 °dKH
Major elements
Chloride 19609 mg/l 19610 mg/l -1.00 mg/l
Sodium 10895 mg/l 10895 mg/l +0.60 mg/l
Magnesium 1350 mg/l 1302 mg/l +47.19 mg/l
Sulfur 1008 mg/l 911.2 mg/l +96.90 mg/l
Calcium 430.7 mg/l 417.0 mg/l +13.70 mg/l
Potassium 477.6 mg/l 404.1 mg/l +73.56 mg/l
Bromine 77.13 mg/l 66.36 mg/l +10.77 mg/l
Strontium 5.30 mg/l 7.92 mg/l -2.63 mg/l
Boron 3.73 mg/l 4.36 mg/l -0.63 mg/l
Fluorid 0.76 mg/l 1.30 mg/l -0.54 mg/l
Minor elements
Lithium 2229 µg/l 168.4 µg/l +2060 µg/l
Silicon 525.0 µg/l 99.04 µg/l +425.9 µg/l
Iodine 26.44 µg/l 64.38 µg/l -37.93 µg/l
Barium 3.97 µg/l 9.90 µg/l -5.93 µg/l
Molybdenum 17.42 µg/l 11.89 µg/l +5.54 µg/l
Nickel u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Manganese u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Arsenic u. 1.49 µg/l -1.49 µg/l
Beryllium u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Chrome u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Cobalt u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Iron u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Copper u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Selenium u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Silver u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Vanadium 1.07 µg/l 1.49 µg/l -0.42 µg/l
Zinc u. 1.98 µg/l -1.98 µg/l
Tin u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Nutrients
Nitrate 0.54 mg/l 2.00 mg/l -1.46 mg/l
Phosphorus 7.52 µg/l 7.92 µg/l -0.40 µg/l
Phosphate 0.02 mg/l 0.02 mg/l +0 mg/l
Pollutants
Aluminium 11.59 µg/l 0.10 µg/l +11.49 µg/l
Antimony u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Bismuth u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Lead u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Cadmium u. 0.20 µg/l -0.20 µg/l
Lanthanum u. 0 µg/l +0 µg/l
Thallium u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Titanium u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Tungsten u. 0 µg/l +0 µg/l
Mercury u. 0 µg/l +0 µg/l
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I don't think there's a stray voltage problem.
It's maybe a 40 min trip from the store, so I'm thinking ammonia is not a problem.
I got a different kind of Trochus from a different store and did a much quicker acclimation like you guys said. It started to move around right away! Ha! I was starting to think something in my tank was toxic that ATI doesn't test for. I am really excited to be able to move forward.
Thanks you guys for helping me out. It's much appreciated.
The snail I got today came in 35ppt water (like mine) and the other store was a skinny 34ppt. I wonder how much that had to do with anything.
If only I had grabbed the snails as soon as they died, I would've had enough for an appetizer. And I woulda shared them with you skimjim.
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Base elements
Salinity (NaCl) 34.66 PSU 35.00 PSU -0.34 PSU
Carbonate hardness 6.74 °dKH 7.50 °dKH -0.76 °dKH
Major elements
Chloride 19609 mg/l 19610 mg/l -1.00 mg/l
Sodium 10895 mg/l 10895 mg/l +0.60 mg/l
Magnesium 1350 mg/l 1302 mg/l +47.19 mg/l
Sulfur 1008 mg/l 911.2 mg/l +96.90 mg/l
Calcium 430.7 mg/l 417.0 mg/l +13.70 mg/l
Potassium 477.6 mg/l 404.1 mg/l +73.56 mg/l
Bromine 77.13 mg/l 66.36 mg/l +10.77 mg/l
Strontium 5.30 mg/l 7.92 mg/l -2.63 mg/l
Boron 3.73 mg/l 4.36 mg/l -0.63 mg/l
Fluorid 0.76 mg/l 1.30 mg/l -0.54 mg/l
Minor elements
Lithium 2229 µg/l 168.4 µg/l +2060 µg/l
Silicon 525.0 µg/l 99.04 µg/l +425.9 µg/l
Iodine 26.44 µg/l 64.38 µg/l -37.93 µg/l
Barium 3.97 µg/l 9.90 µg/l -5.93 µg/l
Molybdenum 17.42 µg/l 11.89 µg/l +5.54 µg/l
Nickel u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Manganese u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Arsenic u. 1.49 µg/l -1.49 µg/l
Beryllium u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Chrome u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Cobalt u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Iron u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Copper u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Selenium u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Silver u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Vanadium 1.07 µg/l 1.49 µg/l -0.42 µg/l
Zinc u. 1.98 µg/l -1.98 µg/l
Tin u. 0.50 µg/l -0.50 µg/l
Nutrients
Nitrate 0.54 mg/l 2.00 mg/l -1.46 mg/l
Phosphorus 7.52 µg/l 7.92 µg/l -0.40 µg/l
Phosphate 0.02 mg/l 0.02 mg/l +0 mg/l
Pollutants
Aluminium 11.59 µg/l 0.10 µg/l +11.49 µg/l
Antimony u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Bismuth u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Lead u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Cadmium u. 0.20 µg/l -0.20 µg/l
Lanthanum u. 0 µg/l +0 µg/l
Thallium u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Titanium u. 0.10 µg/l -0.10 µg/l
Tungsten u. 0 µg/l +0 µg/l
Mercury u. 0 µg/l +0 µg/l
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andyg1960
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Dont drip acclimate snails. Just float to adjust temp and put them in. You are increasing ammonia that way. Read the acclimation instructions on reefcleaners.org. Also, snails may appear dead but are just dormant.
cracker
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Wow So differing OP's I have been "slowly drip acclimating my snails for hours . After doing this I have very little loss. Now I agree snails in the mail require special acclimation. However Snails from my LFS?
They get at least 2 hrs slow drip !
They get at least 2 hrs slow drip !
salty joe
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So, the snail moved right away about 2" and is staying put, hanging upside down. I want the animal to live and everything but my main concern is maybe there is poison in my tank that can't be tested for. If this snail croaks, I don't even want to think about tearing everything down.
salty joe
Well-Known Member
Thanks.
I set my multitester at 200V DC, grounded the negative probe, put the positive probe in the water and got a reading of 35V, didn't expect that. All the pumps are DC as are the algae filter lights.
Even though I have nothing that's AC running my tank I repeated the test with the multimeter set at 200V AC and got a reading of 75V. Does that make sense to anybody?
I think I have a grounding probe in my pile of fish tank stuff, I'll try to find it and ground the tank until I can track down the problem.
Strange thing is, I've never gotten the slightest shocking sensation, not even on cuts or scratches. I have felt it on other tanks.
edit-I rigged a grounding probe with an old titanium heater. Now I get 0.7V with multitester set at 200V DC and 1.0V when set at 200V AC.
Meanwhile, the snail moved hopefully didn't die and fall. I should be able to find it tomorrow if it fell.
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I temp acclimate for 30 minutes and throw them in. Never had a snail loss. Astrea and cerith
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Back when Kent tech M was used to push magnesium levels upwards of 1600-1800 as a method to kill Bryopsis it was noted to remove snails prior to the increasing of magnesium. In my experience using Seachems reef fusion 1 and reef fusion 2 my tests results for magnesium are always very high. I don’t supplement magnesium any other way. In short, my experience is high mag dead snails..
MnFish1
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The snails in a clean up crew should tolerate lots. Drip acclimating is not necessarily good for them. Follow the instructions from whomever you got them. Did they recommend a 4 hour drip?
MnFish1
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Can someone post an article or document that this is a problem? It should be a problem but it it so often suggested that I wonder if it really is. Reason. Others say it’s a myth. Seriously curious
salty joe
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Good thought AM, my mag is 1230.
So, I don't know if that snail died or is tooling around the back of my fake boulder. Tons of hiding places. I'm going to get another snail tomorrow and put it where I can keep a better eye on it.
I know I went through a very painful 2 month process of elimination and cycling tanks til someone at Brightwell finally saved my reef simply by asking "Do you have electricity in your tank?" I did the same thing you did, I said no way... everything is new, then boom I checked it and it was clear as day that I had been shocking all my livestock. So I had no chance from the beginning, It's a silent killer that nobody talks about and you never think about it but man I am loving my tank now that I can keep life in it!
You can read through my plead for help here:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/3rd-time-is-a-charm-kinda-starting-to-lose-hope.395720/
