Some help on setting up my Tunze pumps?

[shoggoth43]

I wanted to set up a gyre effect with my dual Tunze 6095s. I can probably use the illumination channels to do most of this but I'll lose the thunderstorm ramp up effect which I'd like to keep help stir up any detritus.

I want one to turn on for an hour and then be off for an hour with both of them alternating. At night I would like them to both be on minimally. I would also like to see if there's a way for both of them to come on during the thunderstorm setting. I don't think there's a way to do that with the illumination channels.

I had put them in a stream group but if I set the pump to off when inactive, I can't get both of them on at night mode or during a storm. If I don't set that I still don't get the thunderstorm ramp up on both and the "resting" pump is always on at the minimum setting so I can't get the proper gyre current established. At the moment I've just got the wave effect set to OFF. I've tried "permanently opposite" and "Series 1".

Any ideas?

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[Michael Gray]

following as i have two 6095s gonna be hooked up.. i was gonna follow roger at tunze advise 1 at 30% while other side is random flow speeds for some hours and then rotate other side 30% constant as other side switches random speed intervals throughout the day.. hoping this is possible. at night i think i plan to leave it just going alternating every 6- 8 hours or so.

 

[porter_painter]

I wanted to set up a gyre effect with my dual Tunze 6095s. I can probably use the illumination channels to do most of this but I'll lose the thunderstorm ramp up effect which I'd like to keep help stir up any detritus.

I want one to turn on for an hour and then be off for an hour with both of them alternating. At night I would like them to both be on minimally. I would also like to see if there's a way for both of them to come on during the thunderstorm setting. I don't think there's a way to do that with the illumination channels.

I had put them in a stream group but if I set the pump to off when inactive, I can't get both of them on at night mode or during a storm. If I don't set that I still don't get the thunderstorm ramp up on both and the "resting" pump is always on at the minimum setting so I can't get the proper gyre current established. At the moment I've just got the wave effect set to OFF. I've tried "permanently opposite" and "Series 1".

Any ideas?

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You mention the illumination channels but the tunze are best controlled through the Stream Group in the Extra's menu... you do reference that later on but just wanted to mention it for good order.

From what you've mentioned the Mode - Permanent Opposite should be the right one for you. I've never sure what the Waves section actually does, but I've always left it set on Sinus waves.

You can set the power level for nighttime and thunderstorm in the normal way in the pump assignment section.

This should give you everything you want if I understand correctly. Also, just in case you haven't, make sure in the 1-10v interface section the max output is set to 8v on the channels with the tunze connected.

 

[Michael Gray]

1v to 8v? Is 1v to low and it locks up? Curious for when I set mine up
I saw a video somewhere it was I think 2 to . It . I forget

 

[porter_painter]

1v to 8v? Is 1v to low and it locks up? Curious for when I set mine up
I saw a video somewhere it was I think 2 to . It . I forget

I've only ever heard of the maximum voltage so to not blow the pump, but you could be right.

For me as I only run the power % down to 30% as the lowest setting on the pumps I haven't ever experienced lock ups. I run 6095s.

 

[ispookie666]

The tunze pumps are very variable. I run 4 x 6105 and 2x stream 3, all controlled using profilux. All grouped as a single group but as 4 different 0-10V control and set on Random.mode with minimum of 15 min and maximum of 90min.

The voltage controls are all over the place.
Most of these require a minimum voltage of 3.3V and top off at 8V. I'm not sure what happens above 8V, think this is from Tunze!
Anything less than 3.3 V, the pumps stall and wobble badly. But, the stream 3 can go down to 1V without any problem and some 6105 need 3.5V to keep it going.

I did try 6055 and they need 3.8V to keep going withiut stalls.

I did try the illumination channel, but found it to not give me the required flow. The Random pattern has been the best compare to all the other modes available.


Add to all this, even with external controlling voltage, The tunze pump controller has some control over the overall power using the dials. [emoji849]

 

[Michael Gray]

i definitely want to use the 6095 to the most i can. meaning random flow but i want to use the most flow it can put out at times. ill have to talk to roger here on forums ill post about p4 and tunze and voltage. lets get a answer.

 

[porter_painter]

Posted on your other thread in the tunze section. IMO better to ensure that your minimum pump % setting is set correctly rather than adjust the lower voltage value as it's easier to work out what the minimum % should be. So for 6095, flow rates 2,000 min, 9,500 max, therefore minimum percentage is 21%.

 

[shoggoth43]

You mention the illumination channels but the tunze are best controlled through the Stream Group in the Extra's menu... you do reference that later on but just wanted to mention it for good order.

From what you've mentioned the Mode - Permanent Opposite should be the right one for you. I've never sure what the Waves section actually does, but I've always left it set on Sinus waves.

You can set the power level for nighttime and thunderstorm in the normal way in the pump assignment section.

This should give you everything you want if I understand correctly. Also, just in case you haven't, make sure in the 1-10v interface section the max output is set to 8v on the channels with the tunze connected.

Unfortunately storm, feed, and night modes seem to only apply to the active pump. If I could apply them to any/all the pumps in the stream group regardless of status I would be all set. If I leave the pumps on minimum it won’t create gyre flow so they have to be set to “off during inactivity”. Unfortunately right now to do what I want them to do I have to forego feed and storm modes and use the illumination channels instead of the stream group unless I’m missing something.

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[shoggoth43]

The tunze pumps are very variable. I run 4 x 6105 and 2x stream 3, all controlled using profilux. All grouped as a single group but as 4 different 0-10V control and set on Random.mode with minimum of 15 min and maximum of 90min.

The voltage controls are all over the place.
Most of these require a minimum voltage of 3.3V and top off at 8V. I'm not sure what happens above 8V, think this is from Tunze!
Anything less than 3.3 V, the pumps stall and wobble badly. But, the stream 3 can go down to 1V without any problem and some 6105 need 3.5V to keep it going.

I did try 6055 and they need 3.8V to keep going withiut stalls.

I did try the illumination channel, but found it to not give me the required flow. The Random pattern has been the best compare to all the other modes available.


Add to all this, even with external controlling voltage, The tunze pump controller has some control over the overall power using the dials. [emoji849]

I used an illumination channel set to 1% and then adjusted the minimum voltage in .1 increments until the pump would just reliably start. One of them was 2.6V and the other less, so I used 2.6 for both my 6095 pumps as a safe start value. I did the same with the Kessils so 1% just barely, but reliably, turns them on. I did find that once the pumps or Kessils were on I could set the voltage lower than the start voltage before they’d turn off. But for the most part I’m more concerned with them reliably starting so that can set 1% as a minimum value and know they’ll fire up.

I don’t think higher voltages than 8V will damage the Tunze pumps as I ran them on an Apex Classic for years prior with no damage AFAICT. More than likely anything 8 volts and over is just max speed on the 6095 and not setting the max at 8V just means you lose some finer control on the P4 you might have otherwise had. Not sure how fine the control is with the Tunze so it might not really matter much anyway and it’s not like I have any real way of measuring if 8 or 8.3 or 9 volts makes the pump run x% faster.

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[shoggoth43]

I did some further testing and "permanently opposite" will set one pump to the desired flow and the other to minimum flow. I'm not sure how that even toggles active/inactive so I'll have to reread that section. In any event, having one on minimal flow will prevent setting up a proper gyre flow in my tank so this is not an option and I have set this to sequence 1 instead for now.

Until I can figure out how to do this I'll have to leave it at this point and maybe bump up the night time minimum to compensate for the reduction in pumps I would otherwise have as I notice I can't blow off enough CO2 at night with just minimal flow on one pump whereas I could with both running minimally. I'll admit I'm a little frustrated that I currently cannot replicate on this controller what I have set up on an earlier generation Apex so I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but I did have to get pretty creative on the Apex to pull it off with multiple timers and a few virtual outlets so maybe that's to be a little expected.

 

[kodo28]

Did you check the below links ?
https://www.aquariumcomputer.com/profilux-4-making-waves/
https://www.aquariumcomputer.com/knowledge-base/create-custom-wave-patterns-with-profilux/

 

[shoggoth43]

Did you check the below links ?
https://www.aquariumcomputer.com/profilux-4-making-waves/
https://www.aquariumcomputer.com/knowledge-base/create-custom-wave-patterns-with-profilux/

Several times. No reference in either about the feed mode only applying to the active pump. Some of the terms used are not correct either, probably due to translation or perhaps updated firmware changing things around. Thank you for referencing them though.

I also figure that what I’m doing is not particularly a common method. I can ALMOST pull it off with illumination channels, but I would have to shorten my timeframe and I’d lose the different modes in the process.

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[shoggoth43]

I heard back from Vinny with some suggestions so I guess I’ll have some tinkering for the next day or two.

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[shoggoth43]

Unfortunately none of the suggestions seemed to work.

Permanent Opposite mode only switches active/passive pump if the waves are active. The timing on that is far too short to allow for a gyre flow to set up and the passive pump is always on the minimum setting and ignores the "shut off with inactivity" setting so a gyre cannot form anyway. The passive pump also ignores any feed / night / storm settings and stays at minimum speed.

Sequence 1/2 and Surge 1/2 also do not work. While they will allow for the inactive/passive pump to shut off so a gyre can form, the inactive pump still ignores feed / night / storm settings. And of course there is no overlap.

I also noticed that the wave reduction % seems to take effect even if "no waves" is selected. It seems like it should ignore that setting if no waves are selected.

I may have to see if there's some way to replicate what I did with timers and programmable logic. I do not see an easy way out of this unless GHL can give us a proper gyre mode and also allow an option for the inactive pumps to react to feed / night / storm modes.

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[Michael Gray]

Following as I have tunzE nanoagreams 6095s being installed

 

[Tristren]

Unfortunately none of the suggestions seemed to work.

Permanent Opposite mode only switches active/passive pump if the waves are active. The timing on that is far too short to allow for a gyre flow to set up and the passive pump is always on the minimum setting and ignores the "shut off with inactivity" setting so a gyre cannot form anyway. The passive pump also ignores any feed / night / storm settings and stays at minimum speed.

Sequence 1/2 and Surge 1/2 also do not work. While they will allow for the inactive/passive pump to shut off so a gyre can form, the inactive pump still ignores feed / night / storm settings. And of course there is no overlap.

I also noticed that the wave reduction % seems to take effect even if "no waves" is selected. It seems like it should ignore that setting if no waves are selected.

I may have to see if there's some way to replicate what I did with timers and programmable logic. I do not see an easy way out of this unless GHL can give us a proper gyre mode and also allow an option for the inactive pumps to react to feed / night / storm modes.

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I’m making the switch to Tunzes now. How did you end up setting yours up?

Cheers, Tony

 

[X-37B]

I will chime in as I run 2 6095's and 2 6105's in my 120.
2 6095's on the back wall on pulse every 10 seconds.
2 6105's on each side. These are non dc pumps. All pumps are at 100%.
Around 9000gph at any givin time night and day. Works well in my bare bottom with no detrius settling out.
The 6095's on the back wall create good random flow as all corals are bery happy lol.
Here is a pic.