Something wrong with ruby longfin wrasse

[pardonmyreefing]

Purchased a ruby longfin wrasse from lfs about a week or two ago, got Ich, then put him in quarantine. Ich seems to have subsided, but now he seems to have trouble swimming. can anyone explain what it happening? He swims sideways at times, and even upside down, is there anyway to fix this?

 

[Crabs McJones]

Can you provide us with a picture of the fish, along with any treatments you may be running and the parameters of the quarantine tank?

 

[pardonmyreefing]

Can you provide us with a picture of the fish, along with any treatments you may be running and the parameters of the quarantine tank?

I was running Seachem Paraguard for the Ich

Nitrates- 0-10 ppm
Calcium- 380
Ph- 8.4
Phosphates- 0-.25 ppm

 

[pardonmyreefing]

Can you provide us with a picture of the fish, along with any treatments you may be running and the parameters of the quarantine tank?

Might I add that he just started seizing out and swimming in circles with his body oriented sideways

 

[Crabs McJones]

Any ammonia readings? Is he breathing rapidly? Are these pictures of him in your quarantine tank? #reefsquad anybody have an idea? I don't think ich is the culprit here.

 

[pardonmyreefing]

Can you provide us with a picture of the fish, along with any treatments you may be running and the parameters of the quarantine tank?

Might I add that he just started seizing out and swimming in circles with his body oriented sideways

 

[pardonmyreefing]

Any ammonia readings? Is he breathing rapidly? Are these pictures of him in your quarantine tank?

Any ammonia readings? Is he breathing rapidly? Are these pictures of him in your quarantine tank?

Any ammonia readings? Is he breathing rapidly? Are these pictures of him in your quarantine tank?

Yes they are,
Ammonia is showing 0-.50 mg
Doing a water change today with Red Sea to help with water quality, quarantine was set up when I first saw the Ich develop. He’s still eating well, and his swimming has improved marginally over the past 4 days, but it’s still concerning. None of my fish in my reef are showing signs of the parasite and I will be taking some sand out that may or may not have the spores in them just to be safe. No rapid breathing.

 

[Flippers4pups]

Yes they are,
Ammonia is showing 0-.50 mg
Doing a water change today with Red Sea to help with water quality, quarantine was set up when I first saw the Ich develop. He’s still eating well, and his swimming has improved marginally over the past 4 days, but it’s still concerning. None of my fish in my reef are showing signs of the parasite and I will be taking some sand out that may or may not have the spores in them just to be safe. No rapid breathing.

Can you get a picture posted?

 

[Crabs McJones]

Yes they are,
Ammonia is showing 0-.50 mg
Doing a water change today with Red Sea to help with water quality, quarantine was set up when I first saw the Ich develop. He’s still eating well, and his swimming has improved marginally over the past 4 days, but it’s still concerning. None of my fish in my reef are showing signs of the parasite and I will be taking some sand out that may or may not have the spores in them just to be safe. No rapid breathing.

It could be ammonia burn, if thats the case a bath in methylene blue would really help him out. The pictures you posted above, is that your quarantine tank or were those pictures taken while he was still in the main tank? The reason I ask is a quarantine tank should contain no rock or sand, so that way any medication isn't absorbed by the rock instead of helping out your fish.

 

[pardonmyreefing]

It could be ammonia burn, if thats the case a bath in methylene blue would really help him out. The pictures you posted above, is that your quarantine tank or were those pictures taken while he was still in the main tank? The reason I ask is a quarantine tank should contain no rock or sand, so that way any medication isn't absorbed by the rock instead of helping out your fish.

That is my quarantine tank, I will tank out the rock and sand today then

 

[pardonmyreefing]

That is my quarantine tank, I will tank out the rock and sand today then

Where can I get methalyne blue

 

[Crabs McJones]

Where can I get methalyne blue

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/
Local fish store would be best bet.

 

[pardonmyreefing]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/
Local fish store would be best bet.

Perfect I’m going today

 

[pardonmyreefing]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/
Local fish store would be best bet.

Would that be dosed in the quarantine

 

[Crabs McJones]

Would that be dosed in the quarantine

Yes,
Never, never, never dose anything in your display tank. And its actually administered via a bath, like a freshwater dip.

 

[pardonmyreefing]

Yes,
Never, never, never dose anything in your display tank. And its actually administered via a bath, like a freshwater dip.

Ah okay, but yes I know not to does in dt. The pictures were from my quarantine, I thought the rock and sand would provide comfort for the fish during this time of stress, but I will take it out of the qt today.

 

[Big G]

So the fish was fine until you added the Paraguard for the Ich? I'd consider a big water change and run some carbon with polyfilter to get the Paraguard out of the tank water. Some fish are just real sensitive to some chemicals. And it varies a lot from fish to fish. Beautiful fish.

 

[4FordFamily]

Wrasse can behave as you describe for a few reasons:

1) they’re ill and can no longer swim properly (not enough energy any longer)
— by this time it’s often too late, but you’d have to treat the underlying ailment, which could be a myriad of things

2) swim bladder issues but this typically makes the fish more buoyant (sits at top until it fights its way down)
— this will need to be landed, this is hard to do and YouTube has some good videos on this. You’re essentially stabbing the fish with a fine needle in the swim bladder to release the pressure. Epsom salt can be used afterward

3) spinal cord injuries (usually seem like a weight is tied to the tail as it’s typically pointing down and they struggle to balance well)
— time is really all you can do. Hope and wait. Maybe some epsom salt for swelling (1 tsp per 5 gal)

4) poisoning — often from copper levels above 2.0 PPM.
— reducing copper can actually “remedy” in 24 hours.

 

[pardonmyreefing]

So the fish was fine until you added the Paraguard for the Ich? I'd consider a big water change and run some carbon with polyfilter to get the Paraguard out of the tank water. Some fish are just real sensitive to some chemicals. And it varies a lot from fish to fish. Beautiful fish.

Yeah just did that today, added some freshly mixed Red Sea water. Now he just keeps “death spiraling” I think is what they call it. Spiraling out of control in circles around the tank, I’m not sure what else to do for this guy, very sad day if I do say so myself.

 

[pardonmyreefing]

Wrasse can behave as you describe for a few reasons:

1) they’re ill and can no longer swim properly (not enough energy any longer)
— by this time it’s often too late, but you’d have to treat the underlying ailment, which could be a myriad of things

2) swim bladder issues but this typically makes the fish more buoyant (sits at top until it fights its way down)
— this will need to be landed, this is hard to do and YouTube has some good videos on this. You’re essentially stabbing the fish with a fine needle in the swim bladder to release the pressure. Epsom salt can be used afterward

3) spinal cord injuries (usually seem like a weight is tied to the tail as it’s typically pointing down and they struggle to balance well)
— time is really all you can do. Hope and wait. Maybe some epsom salt for swelling (1 tsp per 5 gal)

4) poisoning — often from copper levels above 2.0 PPM.
— reducing copper can actually “remedy” in 24 hours.

See I thought it was the swim bladder issue so I fed him some peas (which he ate) but a bacterial infection seems more likely, I’ll give him time but I’m not sure he’ll make it through the night. He would just start spinning and spinning out of control then be fine the next minute.