Spirobid Worm on Royal Gramma Tail??

[Kevinmj70]

Can Spirobid worm attach on Royal Gramma tail? See pictures.

 

[MnFish1]

IDK - but I would pull it off

 

[vetteguy53081]

Expanding photo- looks like lymphocysis which is viral and often associated with poor water quality, poor diet or both but Grammas' are known to develope lympho and fungal issues.
Assure ammonia and nitrate are not elevated and this fish often fed flakes and pellets need foods with fat such as LRS fish frenzy, spirulina brine shrimp, mysis shrimp and Hikari Marine cuisine

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I've never seen a Spirorbis on a fish. I agree, this may be Lymphocystis, since Grammas get that so often.

Jay

 

[MnFish1]

I've never seen a Spirorbis on a fish. I agree, this may be Lymphocystis, since Grammas get that so often.

Jay

I'm going to disagree - IDK what it Is - but its not lymphocytis IMHO.

 

[Hairyteeth]

Let’s get some clear photos…popcorn in microwave

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I'm going to disagree - IDK what it Is - but its not lymphocytis IMHO.

Lymphocystis is most often seen on the trailing edges of fins, but sometimes can be seen further up like this. However, the picture simply isn't clear enough to tell. It could be an encysted digenean, but those don't usually show up on fins. It might even be a broken fin ray.

Jay

 

[Kevinmj70]

Lymphocystis is most often seen on the trailing edges of fins, but sometimes can be seen further up like this. However, the picture simply isn't clear enough to tell. It could be an encysted digenean, but those don't usually show up on fins. It might even be a broken fin ray.

Jay

When I left for meetings this morning lights were out & fish was still upside down in the cave. Got home today & she is swimming perfectly minis this little section of tail. As info-Young tank < 6months old. 15% water changes weekly. Salinity 1.025 pH 8.1 temp 78 F. nitrates <10ppm phosphate approx 0. No nitrite nor ammonia.15% water change weekly. All fish eat LRS Reef Frenzy Nano daily with additional rotation of Hakiri Brine Shrimp or Hakiri Spiro Brine Shrimp.

 

[MnFish1]

Lymphocystis is most often seen on the trailing edges of fins, but sometimes can be seen further up like this. However, the picture simply isn't clear enough to tell. It could be an encysted digenean, but those don't usually show up on fins. It might even be a broken fin ray.

Jay

Thanks I didn’t mean to sound so definite lol. I have seen lymphocystis everywhere just not that shape

 

[Kevinmj70]

Thanks I didn’t mean to sound so definite lol. I have seen lymphocystis everywhere just not that shape

I truly appreciate all the input and information. I wouldn’t have started a tank without R2R.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Lymphocystis is most often seen on the trailing edges of fins, but sometimes can be seen further up like this. However, the picture simply isn't clear enough to tell. It could be an encysted digenean, but those don't usually show up on fins. It might even be a broken fin ray.

Jay

Agree . . Rarely if ever on body

 

[MnFish1]

Agree . . Rarely if ever on body

Sorry - I'm going to disagree with this as well. "While not producing a typical viremia, lymphocystis virus manifests itself by producing large, benign, hypertrophied cells forming transient lesions on the skin and fins(Figure 11.2). Infected cells appear in grayish or cream colored clusters on the skin and fins that slough from the surface after a period of time." There are numerous pictures online of lymphocytes 'on the body'

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Sorry - I'm going to disagree with this as well. "While not producing a typical viremia, lymphocystis virus manifests itself by producing large, benign, hypertrophied cells forming transient lesions on the skin and fins(Figure 11.2). Infected cells appear in grayish or cream colored clusters on the skin and fins that slough from the surface after a period of time." There are numerous pictures online of lymphocytes 'on the body'

In most cases, when you see Lymphocystis on the body of a fish, it is in conjunction with the same viral lesions on a fin. So - it is common to see Lymphocystis on the body of a fish, but it is almost always associated with the pectoral fin touching the fish's body, and the viral lesions on the fin, transfer to the body at that point. It can then spread from there. You almost never see lesions sprout up on the body where a fin lesion hasn't first touched it.....


Jay

 

[MnFish1]

In most cases, when you see Lymphocystis on the body of a fish, it is in conjunction with the same viral lesions on a fin. So - it is common to see Lymphocystis on the body of a fish, but it is almost always associated with the pectoral fin touching the fish's body, and the viral lesions on the fin, transfer to the body at that point. It can then spread from there. You almost never see lesions sprout up on the body where a fin lesion hasn't first touched it.....


Jay

Thanks!!!!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Sorry - I'm going to disagree with this as well. "While not producing a typical viremia, lymphocystis virus manifests itself by producing large, benign, hypertrophied cells forming transient lesions on the skin and fins(Figure 11.2). Infected cells appear in grayish or cream colored clusters on the skin and fins that slough from the surface after a period of time." There are numerous pictures online of lymphocytes 'on the body'

It will not start on the body in better words. Can it spread to, yes

 

[Goaway]

The fact the tail is missing a spot where the lymph was, could it have been possibly an isopod sp?