Spots on foxface

[saltyMJ]

At first I was thinking ich, now I'm not so sure? Looks a little different. Picture attached. What is it? Breathing is quick and he is hiding more than normal. Also not eating as much, but still eating.

 

[fishguy242]

a short video of breathing will help experts
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[Jekyl]

Please try and get a few more white light photos as well as a 20 second video if possible. Also read through this as it will help the process along.

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[vetteguy53081]

At first I was thinking ich, now I'm not so sure? Looks a little different. Picture attached. What is it? Breathing is quick and he is hiding more than normal. Also not eating as much, but still eating.

Fish is distant in the picture and glass is dirty
Please if you can , clean glass and take pic a little closer

 

[saltyMJ]

Thanks for quick responses. Will post tank levels when I get home and test but levels were fine last weekend. I will try to get a better pic, though he is hiding most of the time. Had this tank setup for 1 year. Fish have been healthy and active for a while but I recently added a new one ( bandtail puffer)and within two weeks Ive had 4 fish die. I've been thinking it was just ich now I'm not so sure. Not all fish have been affected which is strange. Affected fish get white spots and become secluded and stop eating. And then they started dying one a day for the last 4 days. Treated with coppersafe a few days ago and the remaining fish seem to be doing better., except for the foxface.

 

[saltyMJ]

Fish is distant in the picture and glass is dirty
Please if you can , clean glass and take pic a little closer

Sorry for the dirty glass, skipped the glass cleaning because I didn't want to over stress the sick fish.

 

[Jekyl]

Thanks for quick responses. Will post tank levels when I get home and test but levels were fine last weekend. I will try to get a better pic, though he is hiding most of the time. Had this tank setup for 1 year. Fish have been healthy and active for a while but I recently added a new one ( bandtail puffer)and within two weeks Ive had 4 fish die. I've been thinking it was just ich now I'm not so sure. Not all fish have been affected which is strange. Affected fish get white spots and become secluded and stop eating. And then they started dying one a day for the last 4 days. Treated with coppersafe a few days ago and the remaining fish seem to be doing better., except for the foxface.

Unless treating in a hospital tank and maintaining copper above 2.2 for an extended period it will not cure your issue.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks for quick responses. Will post tank levels when I get home and test but levels were fine last weekend. I will try to get a better pic, though he is hiding most of the time. Had this tank setup for 1 year. Fish have been healthy and active for a while but I recently added a new one ( bandtail puffer)and within two weeks Ive had 4 fish die. I've been thinking it was just ich now I'm not so sure. Not all fish have been affected which is strange. Affected fish get white spots and become secluded and stop eating. And then they started dying one a day for the last 4 days. Treated with coppersafe a few days ago and the remaining fish seem to be doing better., except for the foxface.

Sounds like the puffer brought something in to your tank. Is it not showing any symptoms?

 

[saltyMJ]

Thanks for quick responses. Will post tank levels when I get home and test but levels were fine last weekend. I will try to get a better pic, though he is hiding most of the time. Had this tank setup for 1 year. Fish have been healthy and active for a while but I recently added a new one ( bandtail puffer)and within two weeks Ive had 4 fish die. I've been thinking it was just ich now I'm not so sure. Not all fish have been affected which is strange. Affected fish get white spots and become secluded and stop eating. And then they started dying one a day for the last 4 days. Treated with coppersafe a few days ago and the remaining fish seem to be doing better., except for the foxfa

 

[saltyMJ]

Thanks for quick responses. Will post tank levels when I get home and test but levels were fine last weekend. I will try to get a better pic, though he is hiding most of the time. Had this tank setup for 1 year. Fish have been healthy and active for a while but I recently added a new one ( bandtail puffer)and within two weeks Ive had 4 fish die. I've been thinking it was just ich now I'm not so sure. Not all fish have been affected which is strange. Affected fish get white spots and become secluded and stop eating. And then they started dying one a day for the last 4 days. Treated with coppersafe a few days ago and the remaining fish seem to be doing better., except for the foxfa

Unless treating in a hospital tank and maintaining copper above 2.2 for an extended period it will not cure your issue.

The coppersafe bottle said one dose will treat the water for 1 month. Should I dose a second time after 1 month to prolong the treatment? I Just followed the instructions on the bottle. Seems to be helping, but maybe it was just the timing.

 

[saltyMJ]

Sounds like the puffer brought something in to your tank. Is it not showing any symptoms?

I think this was the case also. We watched the puffer at the store for months and he was getting fatter and seemed healthy every time we made our weekly visits. I guess he could have caught something right before we purchased him but he didn't show any signs of being sick until being in our tank for about a week. All was fine until our hippo tang broke out with spots all over. The puffer eventually got it and he died. Funny enough the hippo tang has survived and is looking better now. And everyone says they are sickly and easy to kill.

 

[saltyMJ]

a short video of breathing will help experts
#fishmedic

This was the best video I could get. He is looking a little better today, but you can still see some lighter spots near his head, and darker spots on his body. And you can see him breathing quickly.

 

[Jekyl]

The coppersafe bottle said one dose will treat the water for 1 month. Should I dose a second time after 1 month to prolong the treatment? I Just followed the instructions on the bottle. Seems to be helping, but maybe it was just the timing.

Here is something with a better description on copper use. You also don't want to use this in your display tank.

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[saltyMJ]

Got some better pics and a quick close up video.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Got some better pics and a quick close up video.

Do you see any spots on the fins? I don't and that can be an important way to tell diseases apart. I see spots on the body and rapid breathing. Ich doesn't cause rapid breathing until the fish is pretty far gone. It also looked to me that the flame hawkfish was breathing a bit fast as well. All of this has ben wondering if the issue may be flukes. It so, copper won't help with that.

 

[saltyMJ]

Here's another one. Even better. I'm not thinking ich?

 

[saltyMJ]

Do you see any spots on the fins? I don't and that can be an important way to tell diseases apart. I see spots on the body and rapid breathing. Ich doesn't cause rapid breathing until the fish is pretty far gone. It also looked to me that the flame hawkfish was breathing a bit fast as well. All of this has ben wondering if the issue may be flukes. It so, copper won't help with that.

The foxface does not have spots on fins. Just body. Some of the other fish that died did have it on their fins though. Maybe I got both ich and flukes at the same time...

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Here's another one. Even better. I'm not thinking ich?

No - in this shot, I can see white spots on the fins, that helps to confirm it is ich. The fish could also have flukes, but ich will kill faster, so needs to be dealt with first. Adding copper to that tank isn't going to be possible though - too much calcium based material that will absorb the copper. If you don't have any invertebrates, or if you can move them out, you could run hyposalinity and deal with ich and flukes at the same time.

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Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2024 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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[saltyMJ]

No - in this shot, I can see white spots on the fins, that helps to confirm it is ich. The fish could also have flukes, but ich will kill faster, so needs to be dealt with first. Adding copper to that tank isn't going to be possible though - too much calcium based material that will absorb the copper. If you don't have any invertebrates, or if you can move them out, you could run hyposalinity and deal with ich and flukes at the same time.

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2024 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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Thank you. I will look into this method and maybe give it a shot.