SPS Dull/Bleached/Dying(?) - Help!

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I'm ready to tear my hair out (what little remains). Tank is relatively new (@6 months old). Parameters are perfect. 1375 mg, 470 ca (a little high), alk 9, ph 8.1, PO4 = 0, NO3 = 0. 150 gallon tall tank. 2 30w gen 4 pros (60% power). 2 mp40s @50% power. Tank is 30" tall & 4' Wide.



Have a beautiful frogspawn bought locally along with an acropora frag and a pavona frag that were doing ridiculously well. Deep Purple Acropora growing and branching (small, but good for a month in a relatively new tank). Frogspawn fully extended and swaying in the current. pavona not really growing noticeably, but fully extended and great gold coloration. Now the trouble starts.



The acropora was one of several items purchased in a cherry corals live sale. Some blastos are doing well (bright red, puffy, and even spawning little ones. A paly and a zoa doing ok as well once I realized they needed a different spot in the tank. Lost a few other zoas, though, due to insufficient lighting and the other acropora was basically white (though polyps still extending). Favia doing well as well (coloration, never saw sweepers except for the first day in the tank).



Thought we'd sorted out the problem when we moved the zoas and they started coming back well.



Then went on a binge (those live sales will get you every time!). Got a bucket load of beauties from the WWC sale two weeks ago. Having learned my lesson, I left them all on their frag plugs so I could move them around the tank more easily. Two acropora died within 48 hours (thank god for the 10 day guarantee .... they weren't doing well to begin with). The others were beautiful when they arrived, but have slowly, over the last two weeks, gone incredibly dull. They look like the live rock around them in color or paler. The chalices are fine but fading. One of the original blastos is now retracting a bit but that may be due to increased flow (See below). Ricordeas are doing amazingly well (shocker). Favia has started to fade after being moved lower in the tank. But the acropora all look either bleached or brown. Just dull. Polyps are somewhat extended on most, but not the way they should be. Same with chalices.



I've tried what I can think of. Too much light? Move them lower and let them acclimate. Too little light? Move the favia back up to get color back. Too little flow? Turn up the mp40s to 70%. Now that looks like it's tossing the frogspawn around a little hard and the chalice/blasto doesn't seem to be as happy. Millipora, once moved into more current, is now extending again.



I can't figure out whether this is light, or flow, or even nutrients (too low?). I've taken out half the cheato in the fuge and I haven't run GFO in over 3 months. I don't have a heavy fish load, but I'm considering upping my feeding to get the NO3 and PO4 up a little (from 0 for both now).



Two small side notes. Alk was a little low last week (closer to 7.5-8.0) which I adjusted last night during the water change. The protein skimmer was off for about a week because we used two part epoxy that sent it into overdrive. Both issues have since been resolved.



I'm hoping you guys can come up with something. The colors on these corals should be beautiful. They were when they arrived and the photos are awesome. The ones that are thriving from two months ago are still beautiful. I realize I've tossed out a whole bunch of information, but I'm just hoping something jumps out and says "this is clearly the issue". Help!!
 
Welcome to the painful world of reefing.
That said it can happen, your tank is fairly new for SPS and probably the more sensitive acro's won't like your tank too much.
You had some issues with epoxy that most likely had a roll in it as well even it was a few weeks back.
Besides that your nutrients are showing low can have something to do with it but corals don't throw in the towel cause of that.
IMO just sit back for a few weeks and let your tank mature and corals grow.
This hobby is a slow process and hobbyist should act on that.
Do you have a FTS that you can post?
 
Didn't know epoxy can cause a problem with corals. Any suggestions for what to use otherwise?

I'm going to increase feeding for the time being just to see if I can increase nutrients.

I'm really just hoping to keep them alive until I can get the situation stabilized and the color can come back. Before this, I had been tempted by the zeovit system. I'm not sure I want to change anything up now.

What's an FTS?
 
Didn't know epoxy can cause a problem with corals. Any suggestions for what to use otherwise?

Me either but you mentioned yourself that the skimmer was going crazy for a while and turned it off, which might have caused another reaction in your tank due to imbalance.

FTS (Full Tank Shot)
 
Stop adding sps for a while. It takes almost a year to have really good results with sps, tank isn't mature enough
 
agree my tank is 4 months old cant keep any sps except for birdnest digi and monti only recently. and only small frags. any stn just frag it cut out the dead portion.
 
Welcome to R2R! I'd try and bump my No3 to @4~5ppm and see if that helps. I use KNo3 to keep mine @5ppm which my corals respond to well.

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Yeah, get those nutrients up a little, and you didn't mention anything about alkalinity or calcium dosing. Getting those two rock solid is the best way to be successful. You can daily dose, but testing every day isn't too much.
 
Welcome. Sps like stability. As everyone has stated, takes a bit of maturity on the tank side and reef keeper side. Also, be careful what you add with what. Corals defend with toxins and sweeper tentacles. Make sure that is not an issue.

Hold off adding for a bit as suggested. Be patient. Do not take dramatic measures too fast. FTS will be helpful too.
 
Haven't added more and definitely think it might be nutrients. Started dosing KNO3, but am now wondering about PO4. Any good sources of that other than just overfeeding the one fish in the tank?

Dropping lighting a little and lowering flow back to normal seems to have helped. I do have a birdsnest in there that's fully extended but is white as a ghost compared to the beautiful neon green it was when I bought it. Lowered it in the tank because I was told they don't like strong light.

Will keep you posted and please, any suggestions on PO4 additives would be helpful.

PS Is the cyano outbreak I've been getting a good indicator of nutrient deficiency? I seem to remember that from a while back.
 
If you got cyano I would be surprised you have no phosphates. Cyano in my experience is to much nutrients in water.
 
cyano and bubble algae due to nigh nutrient or long light duration. blakout my tank for 24 hour help abit but bleach out 2 of my small frag.
 
You would be amazed if you just let it ride, keep up on manual maintenance, water changes etc.. on how the nutrients can rise slowly and naturally without addatives. Let the tank balance itself out for a bit.
 

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