SPS Not thriving part 2

[kidtango]

I was already heavy feeding and N and P still remained low with no improvements until the carbon and GFO was discontinued.

You removed two elements from your tank. How.are you so sure that the carbon is the element that caused the issue?

 

[evoIX_njreefer]

GFO if used to strip too quickly is known to cause issues. Likely, you had this running for awhile so your answer will likely be answered when you place the GFO back online.

What type of GFO/Carbon were you using tek?


I have the same issue and didn't think of carbon stripping too much from the water. I personally think I was starving my tank from nutrients. 80gallon system - BM Curve 5, huge load of chaeto (could fill more than half a homedepot bucket), NOPOX, GFO+Carbon, and LR+LS.

Is there a correlation to system volume, ULNS and being tooooo clean a system for SPS to strive? Would you see Zoas go first as most Zoas like a little dirtier water (higher NO3)?

 

[that Reef Guy]

I think an argument could be made that the heavy feeding helped your tank begin to recover more than removing the carbon did.

I have heard that many people use Carbon with no problems at all.

 

[ps2cho]

Is there any problems with the pH being within a daily range of 7.8-8.0?
Just want to knock this one off the list...

 

[ritter6788]

Is there any problems with the pH being within a daily range of 7.8-8.0?
Just want to knock this one off the list...

Looks about normal to me.

 

[Tek]

You removed two elements from your tank. How.are you so sure that the carbon is the element that caused the issue?

I started using GFO again and do not have the same issue. I mentioned it was possibly from too much carbon not just carbon or GFO.

 

[ps2cho]

Well one of the digi's turned completely white over the past 36hrs...and I think its dead now.
I haven't changed anything other than removing the carbon. Alk and ca are identical...just checked it along with more below.

Any ideas why it suddenly died? Coincidence with timing since it has been really unhappy for a month now or could it have been the removal of the carbon?
What about reducing my photoperiod down at all?

This is so frustrating why I am not having success...I see others have zero problems and dont even check parameters, look sloppy with their maintenance etc. I have tried to replicate the sloppyness but feeding more and getting more nutrients in, but not much change.

I received my Red Sea Colors kit...

Iron: 0
Iodine: 0.03
Potassium: 455ppm

Looks fine...
Waiting on my Triton package as well.

 

[Tek]

GFO if used to strip too quickly is known to cause issues. Likely, you had this running for awhile so your answer will likely be answered when you place the GFO back online.

What type of GFO/Carbon were you using tek?


I have the same issue and didn't think of carbon stripping too much from the water. I personally think I was starving my tank from nutrients. 80gallon system - BM Curve 5, huge load of chaeto (could fill more than half a homedepot bucket), NOPOX, GFO+Carbon, and LR+LS.

Is there a correlation to system volume, ULNS and being tooooo clean a system for SPS to strive? Would you see Zoas go first as most Zoas like a little dirtier water (higher NO3)?

Sorry for the late reply.

BRS HC GFO, TLF carbon

I have a 70g with a BM NAC7 skimmer and running GFO atm. Cheato will drop your N03 for sure and cause issues. I ran biopellets to control N04 at around 2.5ppm but even at detectable levels there was something about the biopellets causing random STN on the same SPS. I stopped the biopellets last month and all is normal again and N03 has not risen.

Zoas where never affected by low nutrients on either of my systems.

With SPS I have found with high lighting they require more nutrients to thrive. Dosing bottled products never worked well as fish poo except for the exception of keeping my K around 400ppm. I have noticed better growth.

 

[Tek]

Well one of the digi's turned completely white over the past 36hrs...and I think its dead now.
I haven't changed anything other than removing the carbon. Alk and ca are identical...just checked it along with more below.

Any ideas why it suddenly died? Coincidence with timing since it has been really unhappy for a month now or could it have been the removal of the carbon?
What about reducing my photoperiod down at all?

This is so frustrating why I am not having success...I see others have zero problems and dont even check parameters, look sloppy with their maintenance etc. I have tried to replicate the sloppyness but feeding more and getting more nutrients in, but not much change.

I received my Red Sea Colors kit...

Iron: 0
Iodine: 0.03
Potassium: 455ppm

Looks fine...
Waiting on my Triton package as well.

Montis, birdnest, and poccilipora are generally the hardiest SPS in my tank but they hated ALK swings when I was manually dosing.

I have never had much luck with all LEDs and SPS. They didn't die but growth was not as fast as with halides or T5s.

What are your NO3 and P04 readings now? Are you running any other media?

High import of nutrients also requires a balanced export or the water can get too dirty with too much of the bad. If I feed my tank too much, lax on swapping filter socks, or dose too many things my SPS really get ****** off.

Go back to the basics with just a skimmer and weekly or biweekly water changes. Reduced photoperiods can help if the corals seem stressed.

 

[ReefBum]

I think you will also benefit by practicing better husbandry......keep up on maintenance and test on a regular basis. I am also an advocate of more water changes over time.

 

[ps2cho]

The only reason I didnt do many water changes was because my po4 was 0.00 and as soon as I got to 0.02 and I did a water change it was back to 0.00 again....
I tested last night and I am currently 0.04 and 6 nitrate, so I will see if doing biweekly 15% changes will keep everything leveled out.

 

[ps2cho]

So I wanted to give an update things are doing better since I removed the carbon and increased feedings.

One weird thing I have noticed though is that my ph has risen from a 7.8 to 8.0 range to now a 7.95 to 8.3 range. Could that have anything to do with the changes?

 

[Chameleon]

When was the last time you changed your RO/DI filters and DI? 0 tds doesnt always mean good water. To me it sounds like a chronic water contaminate issue, and rather than pinpointing which one a filter change will take care of it. If you mix up your own two part be sure to make up a new batch with good water too.

 

[Chameleon]

By the way your acros are looking great if if they arent growing. That is a good sign.

 

[ps2cho]

I dont think its a water issue...I have a Spectrapure plus 2 DI stages. All filters except one DI are 4 months old. The second DI is 1 year old.

Things seem to be picking up, so I will keep doing what im doing. A few weeks isn't enough time to confirm for sure, but it seems better.

 

[Tek]

So I wanted to give an update things are doing better since I removed the carbon and increased feedings.

One weird thing I have noticed though is that my ph has risen from a 7.8 to 8.0 range to now a 7.95 to 8.3 range. Could that have anything to do with the changes?

Good to hear! I went through the same issues and feeding more works better if you remove the media countering it. I was feeding more but it did not increase N or P while carbon was used. I also turned off the skimmer until things came back around. The first month SPS looked better then the 2nd month growth took off.

 

[ps2cho]

Back in town from 2 weeks out of state. Everything is looking much better. I just had my girlfriend feed and top off the water, nothing else.
There is more coralline and I see some growth compared to the prior photos.

I let the alk drop to 8.0 and will keep it there.

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Here are some before and after that I found on the red planet. This photo was taken November 31th, 2014. So its 2 months growth...KEEPING in mind that I have been having issues as WELL!
What do you guys think?

11/31/14

2/7/15:

I hope that now my primary issue is resolved, I can get another photo in the beginning of March and see even more growth!

I will check my nitrates and phosphates later today, but I found a strand of hair algae in the overflow box, so I assume my po4 probably went up from .06 that it was when I left. Its been 2 weeks, so its time for a 15% water change anyway.

 

[Tek]

The red planet looks good and the new branches are definitely a good sign. You can go back to a regular photoperiod now that nutrients are back up if you haven't already done so.

 

[ps2cho]

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Analysis (ICP-OES)



Unwanted heavy metals
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
Hg 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Se 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
CD 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Sn 3:04 ug / l 0 g / l 2.94
+
70 12:00 12:00
Sb 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Ace 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Al 13:31 ug / l 2:00 ug / l 11:31
+
70 12:00 12:00
Pb 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Ti 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Cu 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Macro-elements
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
N / A 10320.00 mg / l 10700.00 mg / l -380.00
-
70 12:00 12:00
Ca 484.30 mg / l 440.00 mg / l 44.30
+
70 12:00 12:00
Mg 1392.00 mg / l 1370.00 mg / l 22:00
+
70 12:00 12:00
K 411.90 mg / l 400.00 mg / l 11.90
+
70 12:00 12:00
Br 93.88 mg / l 62.00 mg / l 31.88
+
70 12:00 12:00
B 5.77 mg / l 4:50 mg / l 1.27
+
70 12:00 12:00
Sr 8.93 mg / l 8:00 mg / l 0.93
+
70 12:00 12:00
S 1063.00 mg / l 900.00 mg / l 163.00
+
70 12:00 12:00
Li Group
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
Li 392.20 ug / l 200.00 ug / l 192.20
+
70 12:00 12:00
Ni 12:00 ug / l 5:00 ug / l -5.00
-
70
more ...



12:00
Mo 6:38 ug / l 12:00 ug / l -5.62
-
70
more ...



12:00
I group
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
V 12:00 ug / l 1.20 ug / l -1.20
-
70
more ...
00:02
Zn 1.15 ug / l 4:00 ug / l -2.85
-
70
more ...
12:08
Mn 12:00 ug / l 2:00 ug / l -2.00
-
70
more ...

12:44
I 72.18 g / l 60.00 g / l 12:18
+
70 12:00 12:00
Fe group
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
Cr 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Co 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Fe 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Ba-group
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
Ba 33.68 g / l 10:00 ug / l 23.68
+
70 12:00 12:00
Be 12:00 ug / l 0 g / l -0.10
-
70 12:00 12:00
Si group
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
Si 108.40 ug / l 100.00 ug / l 8:40
+
70 12:00 12:00
Nutrient Group
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation LOD Warning lights Gallons Correction dose / mL Conservation dosage / mL
P 13:24 ug / l 6:00 ug / l 7.24
+
70 12:00 12:00
PO4 0.041 mg / l 0.018 mg / l 0.023
+
70 12:00 12:00
WarningZinnwert different. ECS Page 2
WarningBromine value is very different. Check at elevated levels, salts or trace element additions on bromine. ECS Page 4
WarningLithium value greatly different, note dosage. ECS Page 7
WarningPhosphorus value differently. ECS Page 10
WarningPhophatwert different. ECS Page 10

 

[ReefPiracy]

How deep is your tank and height of lights from water surface? Doesn't look like much light for SPS.