Stock question

Jeppun21 · Apr 18, 2013

So I have a 40 breeder tank I just set up

Stock list are:
2" yellow tang
1.75" kole tang
Cleaner wrasse
2 yellow tail blue damsels
1 chromis
Ora tiger goby
Firefish

Cleaner shrimp
Peppermint shrimp
Rock flower anemone
Red bubble tip anemone
Porcelain anemone crab

So everyone knw tangs will be moved when they get a little bigger or I plan to upgrade to bigger tank once I move..

Was wondering if it would be a good idea to add these fish

Melanrus wrasse in my qt/hospital tank
Spotted mandarin goby
Ora naked clown
Choati or leopard wrasse

cymaster007 · Apr 19, 2013

The amount of fish you can keep will depend on the aggressiveness of the species and how well your system exports fish waste & nutrients.
The main agressive fish will probably be the 2 blue damsels- your bioload is pretty full already for a 40g breeder. I would not recommend getting the mandarin goby unless you will be augmenting the pods in the tank regularly.

I would say maybe the clownfish addition would be ok. The rest need to wait until you upgrade to a bigger tank.

Trex · Apr 19, 2013

Personally, I wouldn't add anything to that tank.

Already has a very high bio-load, and 2 of those fish are going to get very aggressive when they start to feel cramped, which should be happening fairly soon.

Planedoc · Apr 19, 2013

The biggest problem is the tank has not even been running for 2 weeks.
I saw on 4/2 you posted you were thinking about setting up a 40 breeder.

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1281979

So I think that the tank has not even cycled properly, it has a high bioload and you should definitely not add any more fish. I sure hope you do some serious reading and either return the fish you have or start doing daily 25% water changes until you tank has cycled.

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canadian reefer · Apr 19, 2013

Planedoc said:
The biggest problem is the tank has not even been running for 2 weeks.
I saw on 4/2 you posted you were thinking about setting up a 40 breeder.

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1281979

So I think that the tank has not even cycled properly, it has a high bioload and you should definitely not add any more fish. I sure hope you do some serious reading and either return the fish you have or start doing daily 25% water changes until you tank has cycled.

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He's right in addition to what the other people said. The tangs will get huge. The cleaner wrasse needs a bigger tank. The leopard and mandarin will compete for pods which your tank is too small to support a healthy colony and these fish will forsure get stressed and get sick and die.

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Planedoc · Apr 19, 2013

I stopped reading the tank inhabitants list after the first 9 tank habitants. After reviewing the original post I really hope this is just some kind of sick joke. With all those fish and 2 anemones it is really sad. Our oceans are struggling and things like this just make it worse.

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canadian reefer · Apr 19, 2013

Planedoc said:
I stopped reading the tank inhabitants list after the first 9 tank habitants. After reviewing the original post I really hope this is just some kind of sick joke. With all those fish and 2 anemones it is really sad. Our oceans are struggling and things like this just make it worse.

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+1 well said

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Jeppun21 · Apr 19, 2013

Planedoc said:
The biggest problem is the tank has not even been running for 2 weeks.
I saw on 4/2 you posted you were thinking about setting up a 40 breeder.

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1281979

So I think that the tank has not even cycled properly, it has a high bioload and you should definitely not add any more fish. I sure hope you do some serious reading and either return the fish you have or start doing daily 25% water changes until you tank has cycled.

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So here a little background on the tank.. I basically used everything I had from three nano tanks a biocube 29, nuvo 16, and 7g frag tank.. Moved all rock, sand , and water on to this new tank.. Only thing that is new is added a little bit of dry sand to add some extra sand for the tank, rodi water and new salt water to add a little water volume and to Change the water up.. So basically I didn't have a cycle.. The tangs do have homes for when they get bigger.. So do not freak out..lol

Jeppun21 · Apr 19, 2013

Planedoc said:
I stopped reading the tank inhabitants list after the first 9 tank habitants. After reviewing the original post I really hope this is just some kind of sick joke. With all those fish and 2 anemones it is really sad. Our oceans are struggling and things like this just make it worse.

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Lol not a joke..

Jeppun21 · Apr 19, 2013

I just thnk everyone underestimates to much the reefers capabilities.. I'm a unorthodox reefer..I Do like to push the boundaries of reefing.. With the technology we have and all the info we have at hand.. Why wouldn't u want to try.. Obviously there are some common sense stuff but..with fish that are still juveniles why not try.. If it does not work... There are always plenty of reefers willing to take in fish that have much larger tanks.. For me if fish gets to stressed obviously I will remove them but so for everyone are happy as can be..

canadian reefer · Apr 19, 2013

Jeppun21 said:
I just thnk everyone underestimates to much the reefers capabilities.. I'm a unorthodox reefer..I Do like to push the boundaries of reefing.. With the technology we have and all the info we have at hand.. Why wouldn't u want to try.. Obviously there are some common sense stuff but..with fish that are still juveniles why not try.. If it does not work... There are always plenty of reefers willing to take in fish that have much larger tanks.. For me if fish gets to stressed obviously I will remove them but so for everyone are happy as can be..

But why put these fish in a situation that they will not thrive but only survive. They are not living they are suffering as your tank is right now. Adding the rest of the live stock will be a waste of your money and innocent little creatures.

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mcarroll · Apr 19, 2013

Definitely play it conservative until after you move and everyone is reestablished in their bigger (180 or more?) home. No more fish.

-Matt

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mike007 · Apr 19, 2013

Very good info from people that know there stuff thru many years of reef keeping. We are just trying to help you out my friend.

Reefing Madness · Apr 19, 2013

And the list of people saying the list is to much continues. I agree with those above.

Jeppun21 · Apr 19, 2013

mcarroll said:
Definitely play it conservative until after you move and everyone is reestablished in their bigger (180 or more?) home. No more fish.

-Matt

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Will do.... I'm lookin at maybe doing 75 or 100 gallon tank when I move,, deff when I move some of the fish will move to much larger tanks.. But I'm not discrediting the other reefers here.. Just dnt assume the op has no experience lol I thnk i do and I knw that when the tangs get to big or when the damsels start to mate or get aggressive if is time to move them..

Trex · Apr 19, 2013

It is one thing to try to push the boundaries with difficult to care for fish. However, IMO/E, it is not pushing the boundaries by forcing fish into too small of a tank. The tangs are already too big for your tank.

Being "unorthodox" is not an excuse for attempting this.

All the technology won't change the size of your fish, nor their requirements.

canadian reefer · Apr 19, 2013

Trex said:
It is one thing to try to push the boundaries with difficult to care for fish. However, IMO/E, it is not pushing the boundaries by forcing fish into too small of a tank. The tangs are already too big for your tank.

Being "unorthodox" is not an excuse for attempting this.

All the technology won't change the size of your fish, nor their requirements.

+1

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