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I am getting ready to merge two tanks (Evo and WB20) into a 40 breeder and will be looking to add more fish in the next few months. Currently, my stock is:
Two clowns
Anemone
Cleaner shrimp
Assorted snails and 4 hermits
Red Head Gobie (will be rehomed)

I would like to add:
Flame Hawkfish
Diamond goby
Tailspot Blenny
Flameback Angle or a Cherub (have read the Flamebacks can be bullies)
PJ Cardinal x3

I have about 30lbs of live rock and 40lbs of sand that will be used. I plan on introducing these over a period of 3-5 months. From my research, there should be no issues with any of these. Will be using a Tidal 110 HOB and Ice Cap Nano skimmer.

Any thoughts? Thanks
 
10 fish in a 40 is pushing it imo. Go slow and see how things work out
 
I have 4 fish in my 40 breeder and I'm having issues with rising nitrates. I don't overfeed either. I would pick fish that serve a purpose and maybe 1 for appearance/personality. I have a yellow eye kole tang (algae), molly miller blenny (aiptasia), six-line wrasse (coral pests), and black cap basslet (appearance). If you go the tang route, make sure it's very small when you get it and you'll be able to keep it for a couple of years in there.
 
I have a 36 gallon bow front with a Tidal 110 and just added an Octo 1000 skimmer, currently keeping 4 fish and a host of cuc. I tried having 5-6 fish but kept dying off to my original 3-4 fish so I left it at 4. My nitrates were staying high even with weekly water changes before I added the skimmer, usually around 30-35ppm. My check last week was closer to 25ppm.
 
I have 4 fish in my 40 breeder and I'm having issues with rising nitrates. I don't overfeed either. I would pick fish that serve a purpose and maybe 1 for appearance/personality. I have a yellow eye kole tang (algae), molly miller blenny (aiptasia), six-line wrasse (coral pests), and black cap basslet (appearance). If you go the tang route, make sure it's very small when you get it and you'll be able to keep it for a couple of years in there.
The reason you’re most likely suffering with nitrates is due to the tang having a much higher bioload (and in the future activity level) than most fish recommended for a 40 breeder.

I am getting ready to merge two tanks (Evo and WB20) into a 40 breeder and will be looking to add more fish in the next few months. Currently, my stock is:
Two clowns
Anemone
Cleaner shrimp
Assorted snails and 4 hermits
Red Head Gobie (will be rehomed)

I would like to add:
Flame Hawkfish
Diamond goby
Tailspot Blenny
Flameback Angle or a Cherub (have read the Flamebacks can be bullies)
PJ Cardinal x3

I have about 30lbs of live rock and 40lbs of sand that will be used. I plan on introducing these over a period of 3-5 months. From my research, there should be no issues with any of these. Will be using a Tidal 110 HOB and Ice Cap Nano skimmer.

Any thoughts? Thanks
1. Diamond Gobies are a bad move. Especially in a smaller tank that will not be established and assumed to have a rather shallow (1-2”) sandbed. If you want a Diamond, go for a similar goby - Amblyeleotris guttatus. These guys won’t need an established sand bed to thrive and don’t starve as easily as they take to frozen much more readily.

2. The Flame Hawk may become aggressive, taking on any small ornamental shrimp (Most likely will avoid your Cleaner Shrimp). They may chase out smaller species of rock dwellers such as gobies.

3. Cherubs and Flameback Angels will most likely both be as aggressive as eachother. They’re angels, they will probably become territorial (All angels have the potential to do this).

Other than that, the rest of the list looks good :)
 
My stocking list for my 40 includes:
a pair of clowns
Royal Gramma
Yellow Watchman goby / Pistol Shrimp pair
Firefish
Six Line Wrasse

Started with the clowns, RG, and goby/shrimp pair, and slowly added the other two once my tank could keep up with the nitrate demand. I feed very lightly (about every other day) and the tank has been stable. I probably wouldn't recommend going with anymore than 6 fish though
 
Sounds doable to me.

Although I don't keep many of those particular fish, so I can't say how any of them will get along in a 40b.
That will all depend on the particular fish and your scape.

I will say that I currently have 8 fish in a 40b, including a small tomini tang. And it is completely fine, nutrient wise.

I had 5 fish in my 40b for the longest time and nutrients (N03 & PO4) would constantly bottom out and my corals would suffer... I always had to dose nitrates or my corals would RTN when nutrients hit zero. So I decided to add a few more fish. I QT'd 3 more fish, added them and now several months later, my nutrients are still bottomed out. Adding 3 more fish to my 40b had little effect on my N03 & P04 levels. now they just bottom out slightly slower.

This is my test results from last night.
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That's with 8 fish in a 40b.
I currently have;
2 picasso clowns
2 anthias (female Randall, female Carrberryi)
2 damsels (regular blue cyanea, and a springerri)
1 Royal Gramma
1 Tomini Tang

My fish are pigs and I feed heavily. I feed my fish at least 3-4 meals per day, all frozen foods.

Even with that fish bioload, my nutrients still bottom out without regular dosing, just not quite as often now. instead of having to dose nitrates weekly, now I have to dose them monthly.

My fish all get along great, but none are aggressive either. The Royal Gramma is probably the most aggressive, but really it's just protective of it's cave. it does not chase other fish around, just away from the entrance to it's cave. Even my 2 damsels are mellow. There was some chasing the first week or two, when fish #6 - #8 were added, but that subsided pretty quick and everybody settled in. It helps if you can shake the rockscape up a bit. Move something or add a new cave or two. Without a spot to hide/retreat too, the higher fish numbers won't work.

If nutrients are rising, then you aren't exporting enough. 8 to 10 fish shouldn't be an issue with the amount of live rock/sand and filtration you can get in a 40b. My 40b doesn't even have a sump, nor a refugium. Just a lot of live rock, sand, and a big butt skimmer.

I'd also recommend you add the fish in groups, rather than individually. Fish feel safety in numbers.
A group of new fish will do better than a single new fish... They get picked on less and feel less stress when they have a few fish to hang around with. Add one new fish and all the existing fish attack it and it doesn't have anywhere to go and they can get stressed bad. Add a group of new fish and they can hang out together and the aggression from new tank mates is divided amongst the new fish. if you are going for 10 fish, I'd add them in groups and move the rockscape each time you add a new group. You could hold off on placing of any corals permanently until you have all the fish added and final rockscape determined.

Also, with that many fish in a smaller tank, I highly recommend you fully QT them all, otherwise you will probably have constant ich outbreaks in such a tank if you let the parasites in. I don't think you'll ever get 10 fish into a 40b that haven't been quarantined.

All of my fish have been fully QT'd, either by myself or Dr. Reef. I would recommend you do the same if you really want to get 10 fish in your 40b.

QT the fish in groups, add the fish in groups, move some rocks around, and filter/export heavy.

good luck!
 
Thanks for all the replies.

I have re-adjusted my list as I want to keep my cleaner and I have since read many stories of them killing cleaner fish that were larger than the hawkfish. I had previously only read about small shrimp being an issue. I also saw my pistol shrimp for the first time in two weeks, my YWG disappeared about 2 months ago after about 16 months. Figured the pistol was gone as well. Will be getting another YW. I was also on the fence with the PJ's, a bit ugly, but that is also what makes them cool.

New list to include my current stock.

2 Clowns
Anemone
Cleaner
Pistol shrimp
YWG
Tailspot Blenny
Purple Firefish
Royal Gramma
Cherub Angel - may change my mind, looking at a Starcki Damsel as well.

Was thinking of the YWG and Royal Gramma first, then the Tailspot, Purple Firefish, and finally the Cherub. If the order of these matters.

May not add all if my parameters are too high, will wait and see.
 
Thanks for all the replies.

I have re-adjusted my list as I want to keep my cleaner and I have since read many stories of them killing cleaner fish that were larger than the hawkfish. I had previously only read about small shrimp being an issue. I also saw my pistol shrimp for the first time in two weeks, my YWG disappeared about 2 months ago after about 16 months. Figured the pistol was gone as well. Will be getting another YW. I was also on the fence with the PJ's, a bit ugly, but that is also what makes them cool.

New list to include my current stock.

2 Clowns
Anemone
Cleaner
Pistol shrimp
YWG
Tailspot Blenny
Purple Firefish
Royal Gramma
Cherub Angel - may change my mind, looking at a Starcki Damsel as well.

Was thinking of the YWG and Royal Gramma first, then the Tailspot, Purple Firefish, and finally the Cherub. If the order of these matters.

May not add all if my parameters are too high, will wait and see.
Add the YWG and the Firefish at the same time (Both of these are gobies and YWG can be known for being slightly more aggressive).
The rest looks alright to me though!
 
Fwiw, i have 10 fish in my 40B, most are ”nano” fish. I’m having a difficult time raising my nitrate levels, I feed twice a day and dose 5 mL of nitrates daily. The reef is 3.5 years old. Everyone is healthy as can be! :)

- biota mandarin goby
- blue striped pipefish
- yellow banded possum wrasse
- pink cave basslet
- biota multibar angel
- marine betta
- tailspot blenny
- 3x green banded gobies
 
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