Sulfur denitrator Hydrogen Sulfide

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I have been using a sulfur denitrator for 3 months now and I slowly used it to bring down my nitrates that were in the 80 range. Yesterday I noticed my skimmer went crazy and I got cloudy water. I cleared up the skimmer and got it working again when I noticed that the water coming out of the Nitrate reactor was milk white. I cut the efficient and stop the drips. After a few hours and my skimmer doing a great job my tank is clear but my Sulfur Nitrate reactor still has cloudy water. What happened to the reactor. My nitrates are at 10. all parameters are okay. Is this milky water Hydrogen Sulfide as it smelled like rotten eggs. Should I take it off line clean it and start it again?
 
If it smelled like rotten eggs, then it almost certainly was hydrogen sulfide.

Even without any sulfur media, if you have low enough flow in any reactor that it becomes anaerobic, hydrogen sulfide can be produced from the sulfate in the water and sulfur-containing amino acids in organics that are present.

I'm surprised it got cloudy and I'm not sure why, but I think that higher flow will eliminate the potential for hydrogen sulfide production.

What brand media are you using?
 
on this subject of nitrates, I tried biopellets from BRS. in a reactor. water became so cloudy I discontinued use after the fifth day. Nitrates never below 50.
I test with red sea, and salifert test kits. all other parameters test out fine. have noticed brown algae growing on substrate and zoa's
 
When using organic carbon (such as the pellets), the water typically gets cloudy from bacterial growth. Sometimes it just takes a bit for the bacteria to start growing attached to surfaces (like the pellets themselves, or rocks, sand, etc.).
 
If you are getting cloudy water out from the sulfur reactor your water flow is wrong. To slow a flow and the water stagnates, to fast will produce a bloom of bacteria. I would adjust your water flow accordingly. I myself would adjust the flow a little higher and make it slower over time. Like when you first installed it. I would take the water flow that comes out of the reactor and divert it into a bucket. Till it flushes out for a bucket or two. You want as little as possible of that water into your tank. So have some extra saltwater ready.
 
thank you, should I expect the new brown algae to go away as the water clears?

Depends on what it is. If it is cyano, possibly. If it is not, then it will probably stay until you adequately lower the nutrients to become limiting to the algae growth.
 
TL: DR at the end...

I am having this same problem of white cloudiness both in the tank and the reaction chamber of a recently broken-in sulfur denitrator (Korallin S1502), although my effluent does not smell like rotten eggs. If anything, my effluent drip rate has been too high so I do not believe it is hydrogen sulfide. This is the second time this has happened, and in both instances it has also been associated with my protein skimmer not skimming.

The first time it happened, I had turned off the protein skimmer the night before (frankly I can't fathom why), and the next morning there was white cloudiness in the tank and in the reaction chamber of the denitrator. Based on the differences in concentration of cloudiness in either location, common sense would dictate the white stuff was being created in the reaction chamber and then distributed to the tank, not the other way around.

The second time it happened was yesterday/today. Last night I went to bed with everything running smoothly. This morning, I noticed two things: one was the water level in the protein skimmer had dropped dramatically, so far in fact that there was no way for the skimmate to reach the collection cup, therefore no skimming had been taking place. The other thing I noticed was the tank and the reaction chamber were ever so slightly cloudy again. Notice in the first case that the lack of skimming predated the cloudiness, therefore I'm assuming in the second case that the water level in the protein skimmer dropped first (thereby stopping the skimming action), and _then_ the denitrator got cloudy.

Keeping in mind, the denitrator has been running for a few months so the sulfur should be adequately colonized according to the manual and all the various forum threads I've researched. Everything has been going exactly as the manual said it would; I have not had any of the common problems reported by other sulfur denitrator users (such as bubbles forming in the top of the chamber, etc). So I'm confident I'm breaking in the denitrator correctly. However, I am still in the process of finding that perfectly balanced drip rate, which is basically as fast as possible to maximize nitrate reduction in the tank and to minimize the risk of hydrogen sulfide production, but not so fast as to allow nitrites/nitrates to survive the exit back to the tank. And I'm not there yet; I've still been gradually increasing the drip rate every day, which I began after "baselining" my drip rate at the rate necessary to fully eliminate nitrite production. That, combined with the fact that I detect no rotten egg smell, leads me to believe that a too-slow drip rate is not my problem. However, I concede that perhaps the denitrating bacteria are still multiplying even though the denitrator has been running for several months, and perhaps they are multiplying so fast that my daily increases in drip rate are still not enough to keep pace? If so then why no rotten egg smell accompanying the cloudiness? Or is my drip rate becoming TOO fast, causing some reason for bacteria in the chamber to release into the water column, and THEY are causing the cloudiness? Then again, I'm skeptical of that explanation as well because nitrites in the effluent remain at absolute zero, which tells me my drip rate is not too fast. I'm so confused.

Also keep in mind, this denitrator is the type that includes a crushed coral layer above the sulfur layer for the purpose of buffering kH and calcium. I have no idea if this is material or not.

TL: DR A halt in protein skimming seems to cause some sort of bloom within the denitrator. Why?
 
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I guess I also have another question, which might be even more important: why would the water level in my protein skimmer drop dramatically overnight? It is perhaps unrelated, but I empty my collection cup every night, and yesterday I noticed the color of the skimmate had changed significantly from the days/weeks before, and then this morning the water level in the skimmer was much lower. Usually my skimmate is that nasty dark brown, molasses color, but yesterday it was much lighter in color, almost beige. And it seemed to fill the cup more slowly throughout the day. And then it stopped since the water level dropped too much for any skimmate to reach the cup.
 
Turniging off the skimmer does several things which may contribute to cloudiness:

1. It is no longer removing bacteria clumps or suspended organic particulates which may be the cloudiness.

2. It leaves more organic matter in the water which may both drive bacterial growth and cause the possible production of hydrogen sulfide in the sulfur denitrator is flow is too slow and the organics in it are breaking down anaerobically.

Bubble popping in skimmers will reduce the water level and are caused by many things, such as oils or powders getting into the water.
 
Hmm. Well I can certainly see how a halt in skimming would result in more gunk in the tank, I just wouldn't have assumed the gunk would be white-ish.

What I find odd is that the water level in the protein skimmer changed without me doing anything differently, no oils or powders or anything like that have been introduced, my arm hasn't even been in the tank. Other than feeding, my only interaction with the tank the last several days has been to adjust the drip rate of the denitrator. There seems to be some correlation between the denitrator drip rate and the bubble forming action of the protein skimmer. I wonder if hydrogen sulfide production would affect the size and malleability of the skimmer bubbles, resulting in less efficient protein removal? So ironic that my surface skimmer arrived today (it's a sump-less tank, and the tank was freshwater before this, so I never encountered surface scum until now). I was so looking forward to a pristine tank, but my surface scum is going away just in time for a cloudiness issue. Joy! Balance will be mine!!
 
I have been using a sulfur denitrator for 3 months now and I slowly used it to bring down my nitrates that were in the 80 range. Yesterday I noticed my skimmer went crazy and I got cloudy water. I cleared up the skimmer and got it working again when I noticed that the water coming out of the Nitrate reactor was milk white. I cut the efficient and stop the drips. After a few hours and my skimmer doing a great job my tank is clear but my Sulfur Nitrate reactor still has cloudy water. What happened to the reactor. My nitrates are at 10. all parameters are okay. Is this milky water Hydrogen Sulfide as it smelled like rotten eggs. Should I take it off line clean it and start it again?

I remember that I read about somebody else experienced similar problems, with a denitrator. The answer may be extremely high N2 (nitrogen gas) production which (apparently) produces white, milky look symptoms. Normally, in denitrators, in the lack of oxygen, bacteria start eating nitrates and produce N2 gas as endproduct. This gas goes out of denitrator, slowly within effluent. My assumption is, you were possibly not using your denitrator at full performance, due to high oxygenation from protein skimmer. When you turn off skimmer, oxygen input reduced, therefore anaerobic bacteria started working better, and suddenly massive amount of nitrogen gas produced in short time, and it turned water color to milky. Just my 0.02 ..
 
I remember that I read about somebody else experienced similar problems, with a denitrator. The answer may be extremely high N2 (nitrogen gas) production which (apparently) produces white, milky look symptoms. Normally, in denitrators, in the lack of oxygen, bacteria start eating nitrates and produce N2 gas as endproduct. This gas goes out of denitrator, slowly within effluent. My assumption is, you were possibly not using your denitrator at full performance, due to high oxygenation from protein skimmer. When you turn off skimmer, oxygen input reduced, therefore anaerobic bacteria started working better, and suddenly massive amount of nitrogen gas produced in short time, and it turned water color to milky. Just my 0.02 ..

FWIW, I don't see how N2 could produce milky water. I don't doubt the water turned milky for some reason, but N2 wouldn't do it. I've bubbled pure N2 through water solutions hundreds of times and cloudiness is not an outcome. :)
 
I personally did not experienced this, my assumption is based on statements by some other people, in other forums. But your nitrogen injection is a first hand experience, so there is nothing to say :D
 
Any update on this? I'm experiencing a similar issue. My DT is a little cloudy. I've opened up the stream on my denitrator effluent and am still looking to find the correct balance. My nitrates have dropped down slightly, going from around 35ppm to 15ppm over 2 weeks. However I've had the denitrator running for a good 7 months before that, but hadn't set it up properly. Flow was obviously too low and not making a difference. I've also got a bit of black at the bottom of the denitrator which I'm assuming is bacterial die off.

I did also dose lanth at 1mm per day for about 4 days, straight in to the skimmer. I'm worried that I may have stained the glass, but then I'm thinking 1mm in 700ltr + tank for 4 days, surely wouldn't be enough to stain the glass. I've cleaned the glass twice since, and still do not get a perfectly clear view.
 
No reason @Randy Holmes-Farley. It could be. Hoping that is the cause. I just don't want the glass to be stained! Would water changes fix that if it is a case of lanthanum precipitate of lanthanum carbonate and phosphate?

Also wrapped that I've finally got my denitrator finally working. Just checked my nitrate level today, and it came in at 5ppm! Wrapt! It was well over 35ppm till recently. So now just a matter of tweaking it to make sure I keep my nitrates to around 2ppm and get my phosphates down to around 0.03ppm-0.05ppm.
 

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