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I am in the planning stages of starting a new tank. Taking all of the lessons learned, money lost, tears cried and all of the information that I have learned just from searching the forums I am ready to build my 40b. There is only one thing holding up the process, and that is the idea of a sump. I really would like to have a sump but to be honest it is kind of intimidating. This will be my first experience with a sump, as I have always had HOB filtration and power heads. Is a sump as intimidating as it looks? What are the real advantages/disadvantages of having a sump? Is a 40b an easy tank to maintain with a sump? The sump is something that I am really unsure of and I am just looking for opinions based on experiences that you guys have had. Any information that you guys may have as far as a parts/components list that you guys may have laying around that would point me in the right direction to get started would be great. I am willing to put in the effort to learn and do it right.
 
Having a sump allowed me to run the skimmer I chose.
Keeps a lot of eye sores out of the main tank and allows for easy use of a chiller if needed.
Also keeps my export methods out of the main tank.
 
what twilliard said. a sump is the best option but just to be clear, you can do without. there are many sumpless tanks, including mine. I have severe back issues so I need to go sumpless.
 
Maintenance is probably the same still have to do water changes clean out the skimmer etc . I like my sump so I can hide everything and run more reactors
 
Having a sump increases your water volume in your system which is a good thing, the more water the better. I've had HOB refugiums and skimmers, they work, but if you have the space to put a sump/ refugium with either an internal or external skimmer you may be better off. Maintenance will increase because now you have to clean , pumps, socks, skimmers , collection cups etc. if you add live rock to the sump and light , now you are going to grow algae. more work yes, but well worth the benefit in my book. just my 2 cents, hope it helps
 
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I, too, am entering the sump foray for the first time. I'm planning a 55 gallon sump for my 125 gallon display tank. Just read everything you can find to educate yourself before you jump and you'll be fine. Don't rush things ;)
 
I would recommend using that 40 breeder as your sump and getting at least a 90 gallon display tank. I don't see a reason to have a sump for such a small tank, unless you do a 100 gallon sump. You can do 50% water changes in 5 mins with a sand siphon and be better off. With a 40 gallon tank I wouldn't think plumbing it would be worth it either. Get a nice HOB skimmer and be done. Also, I do not recommend getting a HOB siphon overflow, I would only trust a drilled tank to maintain my overflow.
 
I've been running a 20L sump on my 40B, going on 2yrs. IMO best investment ever! My tank is free of equipment except for 1 power head. All water changes are done through my sump. All dosing goes through my sump. Most importantly is the stability of my water parameters. Which I found very hard to maintain when I was running sumpless.
IMO the less I have to mess with my DT, the happier and healthier ALL my live stock have been.
 
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My 20L sump. Left to right, return, fuge, overflow & skimmer chamber.
 
So, if you could rebuild your sump all over again, what would you do differently? I'm about to start building my 55 gallon sump for my 125 gallon display tank, and I was curious what people would incorporate into a new sump.
 
I would make the overflow chamber bigger. As is, it's a tight squeeze with the plumping tube & sock, skimmer and reactor pump in there [emoji12]
If my stand would have allowed for size I would have a 40B sump as well.
 
Cool. I'm planning a planted refugium with Chaetomorpha and possibly mangroves, so I will need a good bit of space for that.


Do you use a separate pump for your reactor?
 
Yes I do. The reactor is the Two Little Fishes PhosBan 550 with the Cobalt mj1200 pump. Pretty sweet as the reactor hangs on the back of the sump and only the pump is in the water. I'm running SeaChem SeaGel which is a carbon/purigen mix. Keeps my phosphates very much in check.
 
Sump are much easier than they look to be honest. All your doing, is creating a place to house your filtration equipment, along with, if you choose, a place to either have a second mini display/incubation area, a fuge for algea, plants and micro fauna growth, or, a frag growing station..

And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but in its most simplistic form(which I prefer personally), is just a holding vessel of some type, with baffling to achieve the water heights you wish in each area.. Lol, nothing really complicated. It's when you look at more elaborate sump, that it gets confusing (if your not familiar with sump design..

I have had sump systems on tanks from 10,up to my current 180. And it's simply because of the ability to increase water volume and equipment. There really isn't a time "to me" that I wouldn't use one, unless I couldn't. From topping off, to water changes, to the ability of better skimmers (in sump design are much more numerous and traditionally better performing), to adding supplements/etc, to simply not having your system looking like a science fair project "all of the time"(lol, mine looks like nasa, and I like it that way, in my cabinet, but to the outside world, it's very calm and serene..).

I build very simplistic, but functional 3 chamber sumps for myself. They focus on length to allow good flow, but with emphasis on skimmer/overflow and fuge sections.. And it's very, very simple honestly.. I just think about my return pump and is height.. That, plus an inch at least will be the minimum water level in the return section (because, you don't want them to run dry or annoying bubbles). I then, think about two or three pumps in that minimum area, and the widest plus an inch is usually how it works out, but this section is usually the last thing I worry about, and it just works out.. Then, with bubbles in mind, I always, set my skimmer and overflow (filter sock area on the opposite end. That allows the water to flow nicely, getting rid of all the bubbles beefier the return area.. I also, make this section a priority in the sense of size, because this is the area that I will work on the most, along with the most equipment.,so it needs to be roomy and comfortable. It also, sets my skimmer water height. I base both around 9", as most current skimmers have that somewhere in the middle of their operating range.

The fuge or middle area, because I grow cheato, I like that big.. So, with the long or breeder series tanks, it works out great..

I also, always set my baffles at only a little over the height they need to be.. I have this fear of never having enough "legroom" in case of power outage by the baffles being set to high..

But with those basic things, all you need, is a tank (preferably for you sized display a 20 long or I can't remember the size for my 50,but it was 36"long, and almost the same width and height as a 20 long), a couple pieces of glass for the baffles(3 pieces, see my little pic), some silicon, and 24 hours to let it cure.. Very cheap and rewarding endeavor..

As you get comfortable, you can get more elaborate of you wish.. But I keep them simple and just increase size when I can.. And just remember, a few inches added in water level height for your return and middle section, adds a significant amount of gallons..

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Oh and this is the same design, just instituted on my current tank. The sump is a 75 gallon that adds (though it doesn't really look it) 35 gallons of water to my overall total water volume..
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