I want to thank you for the info, also I will be be getting home on the 10 th of sept. I think that the 180 pre-drilled might have bigger holes . I'm not new to this, but have never built a sump before. The pre drilled 180 has 2 holes in each corner. It came with plumbing, but there is more to it, as i can see. Trying to keep it simple. Don't know weather to run 1 or 2 pumps for return lines back up to tank. Have a 75 gal. Tank that should have been done 2 months ago. He has a saltwater store. We have a custom built stand, that was made buy fom scratch, really nice. Wan to try to keep everthing undeneath. Thanks Tom ph # 304-674-3627