Survey of "local" fish stores

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On Tuesday I visited both Huntsville Petsmarts, Petco in Madison and Huntsville, and the Aquarium Shop, with a main eye towards seeing what saltwater supplies and livestock I could find. I almost posted this as an update to the previous thread about the new Petco in Madison, but since I ended up talking about other stores, I decided it better to start another thread since there seem to be quite a few new folks here lately (myself included).

At Petco in Madison most of the saltwater tanks had a brown bubbly gelatinous goo on the bottom. Is this normal?

There was one fish that may have been a flame angel (except there were no pronounced stripes on the body and the tail was dark colored) that had a spot the diameter of a pencil missing from the back center of it's tail. It was in the same tank as a few clowns.

I don't think Petco in Madison is serious about saltwater, even though they are probably in a good area to have a market. They had absolutely no sand in the saltwater section. Even if they had it, it would have been on the bottom shelf in about a 6" high space, so they would not have had enough for a tank of any size, and it would have required crawling around on the ground pulling out bags to read the bags or shelf tags. At least at Petsmart they have a few bags of several kinds and being under the tank wall, you can read the bags while standing.

Is the Petco in Decatur any better?

The Aquarium Shop did seem to have a wide variety of sand. Not sure if it was popular varieties; some of it was coarse crushed shells, but shell substrate seems to be the MO for their display tanks. I also thought their saltwater tanks were low lit, hard to see in, and enormously brown. It was hard to find the subjects for sale except red and blue legged hermit crabs. Perhaps a more experienced person would not have problems. Species photos would go a long way to solving that problem. The prices seemed high, but maybe that is just the nature of having the largest number of saltwater tanks in town. I'd be hard-pressed to drop $30 - $70 on a critter that came from a tank that looked mostly dead. I expected to see much more movement in the tanks. Be prepared to crawl on the ground if you want to see the corals. I wanted to check out the lighting they have, but the section with the bulbs was, ironically, dark. The did have a large variety of dry goods, but for me, Aquaclear filters were conspicuously absent. I'd say this store has potential, seemed to have well-intentioned employees, but needs an overhaul of their merchandising. Perhaps a candidate for the new Animal Planet show "Fish Store: Impossible".

[Off-topic: I was surprised to see today that Walmart on Hwy 20 in Madison has freshwater fish. I thought all of our local Wal-marts had gotten rid of their fish except for the occasional sad betta in a jar. They were species to appeal to a mass market (guppies, plecos, algae eaters, mollies, goldfish, tiger barbs, cories, pictus cat, etc.), looked crowded but healthy. I suppose it is hard to judge how crowded they actually are without knowing how much water and filtration is behind the scenes in the entire system.]

Finally, I'd be remiss in not mentioning that both Petcos and Petsmarts tend to have nice clean bathrooms (Aquarium Shop not evaluated). So, if you're stuck in one of these shopping plazas and want an excuse to visit a fish store, there you go. Watch your movies 2nd run at the Carmike Cinema and you can spend your savings on a fashionable Spongebob house for your tank. Take the family, and you can have all of Bikini Bottom.
 
I would NOT buy fish from any big chain pet store. The Pet Co. in Madison is better than the Decatur one in the sense of the 'health' of the fish (& I'm using the term very, very loosely). Decatur has a better selection, but... I've had very poor experiences with them in the past. I've never seen a Pet Co. marine tank where the fish WEREN'T covered in Ich. Many years ago I purchased a decent-looking Neon Goby from the one in Decatur that eventually brought doom upon my entire tank. Of course, it was my fault for not having put him in QT, but I digress. No chain fish shops for this girl.

As for The Aquarium Shop, I went for the first time a couple of weeks ago & was completely underwhelmed. From the customer service to the tanks/livestock themselves, I wasn't impressed. 12 10-gallon aquariums covered in scum isn't my idea of a good fish shop. Maybe I just caught them on a bad day, but... I'm spoiled by John Newby's sparking, spotless tanks & hospitality.

We need to rally for a nice shop to open up here in Huntsville! Then again, all I really know of is The Aquarium Shop & Pet Co.
 
I'm spoiled by John Newby's sparking, spotless tanks & hospitality.

We all miss CRS for sure. However, even they had bad cyano outbreaks here and there. They did make a good effort to keep their tanks looking good most of the time, though.

Am I the only one who buy stuff from The Aquarium Shop?
I typically get the fish or live stock when they come in on Fridays. You need to be picky when you make your selection, but my cherub angelfish and other fish, snails, or inverts that I bougth from them are all doing well. If you ask Pete in The Aquarium Shop, he will hold a fish in the original bag as long as you can get to them within a hour or so after they arrive in late afternoon. He even got me a colony of beautiful blue zoanthids ( a few times in the past) which are often listed as "super blue" in his supplier's list.
 
Am I the only one who buy stuff from The Aquarium Shop?

No, even though I was disappointed in the appearance of their saltwater tanks, I still spent around $15 on some supplies. I just picked up some rosy barbs via craigslist from someone who is moving. She had bought them, guppies, angelfish, and plants there. All were breeding and she had no sickness problems. They helped her select a loach to eradicate a snail problem.
 
Man, I wish I had the money to start up a brick and mortar LFS in the area. I know it would do well. There are a lot of us that are wanting a great place like CRA was. I do like the Aquarium Shop and Pete is a nice guy if you can get him to talk. LOL. But he specializes in freshwater and I, myself, am not interested in it anymore. John did a great amount of business even with his limited schedule because his shop was easy to find and he and the rest of the guys there very friendly and personable. Plus he did keep his tanks looking great and he was always able to offer advice. There are a bunch of us "hobbyists" that sell stuff quite often an are very knowledgable but we don't have a brick and mortar spot to check out. Just our houses and tank(s).

I don't really know where I'm going with this rant anymore, Did I mention I'm getting old, except to say that if you are looking for something in particular just post or send a PM and we can tell you if we have it or know the best place to find it.
 
I wish you could start an LFS here.

However, even John was often complaining about the slow sales in the area. His shop survived as long as it did because he did not have to pay the rent for the shop. He kept it going primarily for the love of hobby and the time he enjoyed talking with hobbyists and friends. There aren't enough reefers in the area to keep a full fledge reef shop alive and well. You really need a good number of customers, not just dedicated hobbyists but ordinary shoppers who go to places like Petco and Petsmart, to keep a local shop doing well in a small city with the economy as bad as it is. I suspect that this is a big part of the reasons why John decided not to rebuild.

By the way, Pete is pretty easy to talk with. Don't let his appearance fool you. He is extremely knowledgeable as well. He still impress me after all these years with his knowledge in both fresh water and salt water aquarium hobbies.
 
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Am I the only one who buy stuff from The Aquarium Shop?

I do occasionally. Last couple of items I picked up are in the pic. Never had a problem. But I quarantine anyway. And I don't pour in any of their water.

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I have bought several items from the Aquarium shop with good results. Pete is a great guy ...knows alot about the hobby. I havent had any problems with the items I have bought out of the tanks . I have been to Madison Petco and the manager was super nice ..He was keeping the saltwater fish quarantened that he had just gotten in and didnt want to sell anything that he thought was sick or lethargic. Since I live in Fayetteville it is too far unless I really need something specific . I had just found CR and made two trips one of which I had taken some pictures of the tanks and coral..before the storm . I am going to try to find those pics and post them . The tanks were awesome. Kim
 
I'm a little jaded towards them because of the advice they gave (and I dumbly followed blindly) when I started out... cycling a tank with damsels, just use tap water, etc. Does anyone else feel like the people who work there started as enthusiastic hobbiest but became burned out after the hobby became a job? I just haven't seen the passion/excitement/pride there that I see from every reef tank owner I've met and at other fish stores. The staff at paradise aquatics, aquatic critter, matts coral connection, and music city reefs not only make sure I've had my questions answered but they answer twenty other questions I haven't asked.
 
Just out of curiosity, what is everyones' primary needs from a good LFS? What would you use it for mainly? To buy livestock? Hardware? To get advice from knowledgeable employees when your tank is having problems? To meet and hang out with other hobbyists? Or to just pick up random odds and ins every once in a blue moon?

I'm wondering if there are any new ways we could work as a community to fill some of those voids until we get a good LFS. Or maybe there are things we can do to help that great LFS get started.
 
What I would like to see in a LFS is healthy tanks and livestock. A good selection of fish and corals (colonies as well as frags). I know dry goods will 95% of the time be cheaper on line but I would still like to see a good selection of dry goods that are competitively priced. I don't mind paying a little extra for them but not a 200% mark up ( I know what most of the stuff costs wholesale;) ).

Knowledgeable employees is a MUST in my opinion. I dont like to see someone sell a naso tang to someone knowing they are putting it in a 40 breeder. I would rather them say "no that fish will get too big for that tank why not try this ______." I know it is all about profit and I do not have a issue with that but, The health of the animals has to factor in somewhere too.
 
cycling a tank with damsels, just use tap water, etc.

We all have different experience with shops. I've had a few rather unfriendly receptions by Aquatic Critters except for the last time when I visited them for dart frogs. None of the saltwater side staff could provide the information that I needed, and one time they told me that a workhorse 5 ballast are only for T5's and cannot drive PC lamps.

Cycling a tank with damsels was a standard way to get started in the past. Now we know that it's better or kinder to start a tank cycling with a piece of table shrimp or something (someone here even suggested peeing in a tank awhile ago, lol), and it's a pain in the neck to catch the damsels later. However, from a novice point of view, it's more fun to have a few tough fish with cast iron skin to start a tank. I started two of my reef tanks with dechlorinated tap water (and a table shrimp) and never had any problem.

I have been to Madison Petco and the manager was super nice ..He was keeping the saltwater fish quarantened that he had just gotten in and didnt want to sell anything that he thought was sick or lethargic.

This is good to know :)

Just out of curiosity, what is everyones' primary needs from a good LFS?

They are great for giving into my inpulsive desire to buy something reef/fish related occasionally ;) They are also good for getting some things that I need in a hurry. I hear that people used to hang out and talked with other hobbyists in shops in the past, but I have not seen that happening much at all. People seem to be too busy with their lives nowadays.
 
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I need healthy-looking tanks with healthy-looking livestock & a kind, knowledgeable staff. I don't really purchase dry goods from an actual store; I order my stuff online. That's what I look for in a LFS & I just don't see that happening here in Huntsville any time soon. : (
 
I always hung out and talked a CRA. Heck I couldn't get in and out of there in under an hour. Usually it was more like 2 hours. Lol. I could talk reef forever. Ask my wife. :) she hates it when I do.....
 
I always hung out and talked a CRA. Heck I couldn't get in and out of there in under an hour. Usually it was more like 2 hours. Lol. I could talk reef forever. Ask my wife. :) she hates it when I do.....

Right?! I was always there for at least 2 hours back in the day! I was so crushed to learn that they are no longer around when I started getting ready to set a tank back up... I had so many wonderful memories there...
 
these are the pics that I took at Coral Reef Aquatics in March of 2011 ..not the best shots but their stuff was awesome

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Just out of curiosity, what is everyones' primary needs from a good LFS?

Mainly livestock. All I typically buy local is livestock and substrate. I will be nice to my UPS man and sometimes buy salt local. Hardware is so expensive local. Even Petco stores won't match prices from their own website. Not that i blame them. It is tough to make money in this business.
 
these are the pics that I took at Coral Reef Aquatics in March of 2011 ..not the best shots but their stuff was awesome

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That cap almost recovered for John before the storm came. I got a frag of that from him when I first moved back in 07 and it grew out and I shared it with quite a few folks. But when it got too big for my tank I asked him if he wanted the colony and he of course said yes. Well it bleached on him and it had just started to recover when the tornadoes came along. Just thought I'd share that. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
 
It sounds like CRA was a great place and I hate that I missed it. I think we all agree that dry goods are cheaper online so we don't really miss that from a LFS. This forum is a great source for finding corals and they are always going to be cheaper (sometimes free) from local hobbyists. The biggest benefits I would get from a good LFS are being able to buy fish, see a wide variety of corals in one place, and primarily being able to learn from a knowledgeable staff and other customers. Also a great LFS with staff that are excited about educating newbies and helping them setup their first tank makes it much less daunting to get into the hobby. Now that my tank is running and stocked with the fish I want, I don't miss not being able to buy fish locally very much.

So here is a crazy idea that could help fill the void left by not having a good LFS -- a community tank. A tank in a public place like a library or art museum that is run by the reef club. If everyone would chip in little odds and ins they don't use in their tanks any more along with frags I bet we could have a pretty impressive tank with very little outside funding needed. This could be a great place to meet and learn from experienced hobbyists, help educate the general public, and get ideas for possibilities in our tanks at home. I have ideas on getting a location, raising funds, and organizing the whole thing if there is interest. Would you guys be interested in doing a community tank or is this a terrible idea?
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
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